20:17:23 <stormi> #startmeeting 20:17:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Sat Dec 3 20:17:23 2016 UTC. The chair is stormi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:17:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:18:11 <stormi> We're going to review the blockers assigned to the KDE team, listed at http://madb.mageia.org/tools/blockers 20:18:17 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Blockers ] 20:18:59 <stormi> #topic bug 16850 20:19:00 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16850 normal, release_blocker, kde, NEW , Plasma 5 cannot restore its session (running applications not plasmoids), plasma-workspace-5.8.3, plasma-desktop-5.8.3 20:19:15 <stormi> thanks [mbot that helps 20:20:04 <stormi> So, plasma doesn't restore applications that were running 20:20:28 <stormi> Except a few ones, such as firefox or konqueror 20:21:06 <stormi> Our packagers said it's an upstream bug but there are comments (and actually the bug description itself too) stating that it's specific to Mageia 20:21:48 <stormi> It would not be nice to ship plasma with such a visible regression as compared to KDE4 20:22:26 <stormi> So we need some people to go deeper and actually analyze the issue because for now I doubt it has been done 20:22:50 <stormi> Do you agree with the above statements? 20:22:53 <Luigi12> stormi made a good point yesterday that maybe it is configurable and we have a default setting that's wrong 20:23:22 <Luigi12> so that's worth investigating, and yes I agree 20:23:22 <Akien> Yes, we need to debug this instead of assuming it's an upstream bug, since apparently it is not. 20:23:25 <Pharaoh_Atem> well, fwiw, this feature does work on Fedora 20:23:38 <Pharaoh_Atem> I can personally attest to that, since that's what my work computer runs 20:23:38 <neoclust> stormi: sorry i was outside 20:23:40 <stormi> Pharaoh_Atem: thanks, please add that as a comment 20:23:42 <neoclust> i am here now 20:23:54 <stormi> neoclust: great, thanks for coming 20:24:59 <neoclust> stormi: Akien : we have nothing in our configuration regarding this 20:25:06 <neoclust> we are "upstream" 20:25:28 <Akien> Re configuration, in systemsettings > Startup and Shutdown > Desktop Session, there is an option about session restoring 20:25:30 <stormi> upstream for our configuration you mean? 20:25:44 <Akien> But I have the config "Restore previous session" enabled, and AFAIK, I'm still affected by the bug 20:25:58 <Akien> I had to add an autostart entry for yakuake and redshift-gtk to get them on startup 20:26:18 <stormi> Akien: same here regarding "Restore previous session" 20:26:28 <Luigi12> ok, strange. So the next thing is to investigate the files where Plasma stores its session information. 20:26:29 <Akien> So it's not just a config issue, the issue is deeper. 20:26:48 <neoclust> maybe we should look to opensuse, to see if they have a patch for this 20:26:54 <neoclust> a "not yet upstreamed" patch 20:27:25 <Luigi12> Plasma 4 uses .kde4/share/config/session/*, not sure about Plasma 5 20:27:33 <Akien> That would be a possibility, if someone is up for auditing other distro's packages to see if they have patches, that would be helpful. 20:27:42 <neoclust> Luigi12: in plasma nothing is in .KDE4/ 20:27:46 <neoclust> all is in .config/ 20:27:48 <neoclust> now 20:27:50 <Luigi12> I know that 20:27:51 <stormi> And if they haven't then there's a bug specific to Mageia 20:27:53 <neoclust> $HOME/.config 20:27:54 <Akien> The second possibility would be that it affects *only* Mageia, and thus we need to think about what we do differently. 20:28:00 <Akien> Which made me think of... predm :) 20:28:02 <Akien> *prefdm 20:28:13 <neoclust> i think of it too 20:28:14 <neoclust> :( 20:28:16 <Luigi12> how the DM started shouldn't have any impact 20:28:20 <neoclust> who is affected ? 20:28:23 <neoclust> Akien: you ? 20:28:24 <Akien> I wouldn't be so sure. 20:28:25 <Luigi12> how the session is started could 20:28:26 <Akien> Luigi12: $ 20:28:28 <stormi> Well, I suppose we can test to start plasma directly and check 20:28:43 <neoclust> stormi: service prefdm stop 20:28:43 <Pharaoh_Atem> well, right now, I'm starting a bunch of random apps and going to attempt a reboot 20:28:47 <Pharaoh_Atem> and see if it comes back 20:28:50 <Luigi12> much more likely you need to look at Xsession and what happens from there, rather than looking backward at prefdm 20:28:52 <stormi> Are there people not affected? 20:28:52 <neoclust> stormi: service sddm start 20:28:55 <neoclust> stormi: and test 20:28:58 <stormi> neoclust: ok 20:28:59 <N9NU> well well 20:29:20 <Luigi12> we have made a lot of changes in our xinitrc package this cycle, including how sessions are configured 20:29:23 <Akien> It might be worth asking KDE devs upstream about what components are involved in session restore 20:29:32 <Akien> To help us debug our issue 20:29:35 <Luigi12> switching from wmsession.d to xsessions, which had a big impact on the code 20:29:35 <neoclust> Akien: yes good idea 20:29:53 <Pharaoh_Atem> actually, it also occurs to me that Plasma may be randomly breaking it 20:30:03 <Pharaoh_Atem> it has, from time to time, stopped working 20:30:21 <N9NU> the driver for the updated Xorg 1.19 20:30:24 <stormi> I suggest we use the kde@ ML to discuss this bug in the coming days and kill it the way we killed the "good luck" one last week 20:30:29 <N9NU> will be out very soon 20:30:40 <Bequimao> I always use that option, but I save a clean desktop without running applications. 20:31:05 <Pharaoh_Atem> neoclust: so mcc and firefox came back 20:31:12 <Pharaoh_Atem> but systemsettings and konsole did not 20:31:15 <stormi> yeah the GTK applications are restored :) 20:31:22 <stormi> That's the funniest thing ever in this bug report 20:31:27 <neoclust> stormi: :) 20:31:36 <neoclust> so go for using kde@ ML 20:31:45 <neoclust> to speak about this specific bug 20:32:02 <stormi> Ok. Anyone interested in helping can either follow the bug report or join the kde@ ML to discuss it. 20:32:05 <Akien> Do we have a volunteer to start the discussion and maybe summarize what was said above? 20:32:22 <neoclust> Akien: thanks to offer yourself for this :) 20:32:25 <neoclust> i appreciate :p 20:32:45 <Akien> i.e. 1) check if other distros have related patches. 2) debug the session startup to see if it's DM related. 3) ask KDE devs for ideas 20:32:58 <Akien> Ok I'll take this one, but none other :) 20:32:59 <stormi> I suppose I can 20:33:03 <Akien> Or stormi :) 20:33:20 <stormi> I'm quite annoyed by this bug so motivation is present 20:33:38 <neoclust> stormi: tks; 20:33:40 <Akien> #action stormi starts a commando thread on the kde@ ML to hunt down mga#16850 20:33:41 <neoclust> next :) 20:33:45 <stormi> #action stormi will start a discussion on the kde@ mailing list and keep the bug report updated 20:33:56 <Akien> :p 20:33:57 <stormi> #chair akien 20:33:57 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: akien stormi 20:33:59 <stormi> :) 20:34:04 <Akien> Hehe 20:34:27 <stormi> #topic bug 17528 20:34:28 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17528 normal, release_blocker, kde, NEW , Qt5/KF5-related package updates for Mageia 6 20:34:50 <stormi> This one is to be brought back from cryogenesis 20:34:50 <Luigi12> still a bunch there that actually have KF5 ports available that haven't been dealt with, last I checked 20:34:55 <neoclust> we need to see the remaining apps that we can't update and close this bug 20:35:06 <Luigi12> I should post another summary 20:35:15 <neoclust> Luigi12: can you on this bugreport add the list of the remaining apps to update ? 20:35:21 <neoclust> i and david_david will do the work 20:35:27 <Luigi12> we've also never made a list of the remaining Qt4/KDE4 apps to see what we will do about those 20:35:41 <Luigi12> neoclust: yeah I'll post another summary 20:35:57 <neoclust> Luigi12: we will keep them if working ( as we have kdebase4-runtime ) 20:36:09 <neoclust> Luigi12: as long as we have this kde4 apps will work under plasma 20:36:10 <Luigi12> I'm not sure about that 20:36:18 <Akien> I think upstream has plans to drop support for kde4 libs in ~1 year, will that affect mga6 in updates, or are we safe for this one? 20:36:21 <Luigi12> I mean, it's basically all dead software, which calls into question maintainability 20:36:22 <neoclust> Luigi12: then we need to test them :) 20:36:33 <Luigi12> I'd rather drop and reintroduce into mga6 as an update if/when a KF5 port becomes available 20:36:35 <neoclust> Akien: we are safe for now 20:36:40 <Akien> Ok 20:36:41 <Luigi12> because if one doesn't, it's really dead 20:36:53 <neoclust> Luigi12: then we need a list to see apps by apps what to do 20:37:10 <Luigi12> and yes upstream is planning on dropping more of them in the next KDE Applications update, as far as the official ones go 20:37:18 <Luigi12> so those ones will be officially unmaintained soon 20:37:32 <Luigi12> neoclust: exactly, it'd be nice if someone could generate a list 20:37:47 <neoclust> Luigi12: i will try to do it 20:37:49 <neoclust> "try" ;) 20:37:50 <stormi> I suppose qt4 and KDE4 apps are to be treaded separatedly 20:37:52 <Luigi12> cool, thanks 20:37:56 <neoclust> stormi: yes 20:37:57 <Luigi12> stormi: probably true, yes 20:38:10 <N9NU> QT rules 20:38:16 <Luigi12> QT sucks 20:38:17 <Luigi12> Qt rules 20:38:19 <N9NU> gtk well...heh 20:38:22 <N9NU> blah 20:38:30 <neoclust> Akien: next ? :) 20:38:34 <Luigi12> indeed 20:38:37 <Pharaoh_Atem> Luigi12: I think hardly anyone remembers QuickTime nowadays 20:38:41 <stormi> so Luigi12's giving a list and neoclust is giving a list? 20:38:53 <Luigi12> Pharaoh_Atem: unfortunately that's not true, but I so wish it was 20:38:55 <neoclust> stormi: Luigi KF 20:38:55 <N9NU> QT5 baby 20:38:57 <neoclust> stormi: Luigi KF5 20:39:02 <neoclust> neoclust: KDE4 20:39:02 <stormi> I've got troubles writing my action 20:39:02 <Luigi12> Pharaoh_Atem: still so much proprietary codec crap out there :o( 20:39:07 <N9NU> quicktime oh boy...lol 20:39:07 <Pharaoh_Atem> :( 20:39:09 <stormi> neoclust: ok :) 20:39:14 <Luigi12> stormi: I'll be giving a summary 20:39:32 <N9NU> i luv programming in QT 20:39:44 <Luigi12> N9NU: please, it's Qt. QT is QuickTime 20:39:47 <stormi> #action Luigi12 gives a list of packages that have a Qt5 or KF5 port and neoclust gives a list of existing Qt4 and KDE4 apps 20:39:49 <Luigi12> anyway, next bug 20:40:14 <stormi> #topic bug 17852 20:40:15 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17852 normal, release_blocker, kde, NEW , [mga6-dev1] initial boot into installed live PLasma5 x86 presents incomplete desktop 20:40:24 <neoclust> stormi: i wait for sta2 isos to test 20:40:33 <stormi> ok next then :) 20:40:36 <neoclust> nothing more to tell 20:40:37 <Luigi12> exactly 20:40:42 <stormi> #action test with sta2 isis 20:40:43 <Luigi12> irrelevant until we have new ISOs 20:40:46 <stormi> isis :) 20:40:56 <neoclust> stormi: i had a girlfriend named isis 20:41:01 <neoclust> stormi: but i don't think this is the same :p 20:41:03 <Luigi12> neat 20:41:21 <stormi> so #action waiting for neoclust's next set of girlfriends 20:41:25 <Akien> sta2 is like 2nd base? :p 20:41:31 <neoclust> stormi: :p 20:41:33 <Pharaoh_Atem> haha 20:41:36 <Luigi12> for next bug 18904, a lot has changed with X.org and nvidia stuff since that was filed, so needs retesting 20:41:37 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18904 major, release_blocker, kde, REOPENED , Plasma+Nvidia: After resume, Plasma desktop icons text fields and some app is unreadable (OK in other DE, i.e MATE), kwin 20:41:46 <stormi> #topic bug 18904 20:42:02 <stormi> #info a lot has changed so needs retesting 20:42:32 <neoclust> i don't have any nvidia based machine 20:42:32 <Akien> Well last comment is for Nov 22 20:42:46 <stormi> I do but no garbled texts 20:42:50 <Luigi12> I think the xorg 1.19 came after Nov 22 20:42:56 <neoclust> Luigi12: yes 20:42:58 <stormi> oh wait, I don't use the nvidia card actually, only intel :) 20:43:06 <Pharaoh_Atem> it looks like this bug is actually fixed? 20:43:07 <Akien> stormi: yeah optimus doesn't qualify as nvidia-based :) 20:43:11 <Pharaoh_Atem> the comments indicate as much 20:43:15 <Luigi12> cool 20:43:29 <Pharaoh_Atem> or rather, fixed themselves as we updated the world 20:43:32 <Luigi12> might as well close it, someone can reopen if needed 20:43:44 <stormi> Isn't it still valid on one of his computers? 20:43:46 <neoclust> Luigi12: go this way then 20:43:52 <Pharaoh_Atem> stormi: doesn't look like it 20:44:01 <neoclust> Same after updates today including kernel 4.8.10-2 : garbled on "Lillen", OK on "Göran". 20:44:15 <stormi> "garbled" is KO, no? 20:44:17 <neoclust> seems this 2 actions ( i don't understand ) are still broken 20:44:27 <Pharaoh_Atem> gah, missed that bit 20:44:29 <Luigi12> well they'll need to test 4.8.12 20:44:30 <stormi> That's the name of a computer 20:44:41 <Luigi12> think some regressions have been fixed since 4.8.10-2 20:44:50 <neoclust> stormi: garbled => "brouillées" 20:44:51 <stormi> One computer is ok the other still has an issue 20:44:53 <Pharaoh_Atem> these 4.8.x kernels have been nuts :/ 20:45:00 <Akien> I'd propose him to reopen a new bug report with just the current issue 20:45:05 <neoclust> we need to ask screenshot too 20:45:06 <Akien> Or change the summary 20:45:18 <Akien> As the bug evolved a lot since the initial status that made it a blocker 20:45:19 <stormi> ok to ask him to reopen a new one 20:45:31 <Akien> Judging by the last comments, I'd say it's no longer a blocker, but still a bug that needs fixed 20:45:43 <Pharaoh_Atem> I would agree with that 20:46:10 <stormi> Ok, demoted to "high" 20:46:37 <stormi> #info no longer a blocker. Situation is better than used to be and needs testing with new XOrg. 20:47:05 <stormi> Akien: can you add a comment suggesting to close this one and open a new bug report? 20:47:17 <neoclust> or change/Fix the summary 20:47:34 <Akien> Yep 20:47:35 <stormi> #topic bug 19097 20:47:36 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19097 critical, release_blocker, kde, NEW , Amarok crashes, amarok-2.8.90-3.mga6.src.rpm 20:47:57 <stormi> This is Luigi12's bug 20:47:59 <Luigi12> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19097#c4 if you see the Also, part in Comment 4, that definitely needs to be addressed 20:48:00 <[mbot> Bug 19097: critical, release_blocker, kde, NEW , Amarok crashes, amarok-2.8.90-3.mga6.src.rpm 20:48:05 <neoclust> i can't help, it does not crash for me :/ 20:48:10 <Luigi12> as for the rest of it, I need to do some retesting 20:48:13 <neoclust> maybe missing Require ? 20:48:17 <Luigi12> could be 20:48:29 <stormi> Luigi12: where do I check this setting? 20:48:45 <neoclust> Luigi12: test when possible and see with me if still valid ? we will test "live" on irc 20:48:54 <Luigi12> I have an old work computer (where I first saw this issue) at my new work, and I'm hoping to have time next week to play with it to test this (and the next bug on our list), but no promises 20:49:15 <Luigi12> stormi: Settings > Configure Amarok... > Playback > Configure Phonon 20:49:21 <stormi> #action Luigi12 will test again because others have trouble making it crash 20:49:59 <Luigi12> yeah even I can't get it to crash in my VM, so I can hopefully retest on the same type of computer where it did 20:50:06 <Luigi12> but the Phonon bit is still valid 20:50:15 <stormi> Luigi12: the Phonon bit deserves a new bug report 20:50:23 <Luigi12> yes 20:50:23 <stormi> and I think the crash one can be demoted 20:50:32 <Akien> amarok works fine for me, but the Configure Phonon thing just loads forever and nothing happens 20:50:40 <stormi> same as Akien :) 20:50:40 <Luigi12> yeah that's a problem too 20:50:49 <Luigi12> I usually have to go into systemsettings to even fix it 20:51:01 <stormi> Another bug report? 20:51:15 <Luigi12> ok 20:52:11 <Luigi12> for the next bug 19103, it'd be nice if someone could set up a test bed to see if they can reproduce the issue, basically a system where you're using some remote service for user accounts (I was using sssd on the system where I saw the issue) 20:52:13 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19103 critical, release_blocker, kde, NEW , Plasma screen locker does not let non-local users unlock screen (PAM issue?), plasma-workspace-5.7.2-3.mga6.src.rpm 20:52:35 <neoclust> Luigi12: can you do a complete testcase ? so i will do the complete setup here to test 20:52:36 <Akien> #action Luigi12 opens a new bug report for the phonon issue, amarok crash might be solved already 20:52:41 <Akien> #topic bug 19103 20:52:42 <neoclust> Luigi12: i have some windows for work 20:53:04 <Luigi12> neoclust: oh good, I was using sssd configured agasint Active Directory, so you should be able to reproduce that 20:53:05 <Akien> Inigo_Montoya: hey 20:53:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Akien: Error: "hey" is not a valid command. 20:53:36 <stormi> Akien: let me try 20:53:39 <stormi> #chair Akien 20:53:39 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Akien akien stormi 20:53:44 <stormi> lol I was right 20:53:52 <Luigi12> and the next bug 19153 neoclust had said he would look into it but I don't know if he got around to it 20:53:53 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19153 normal, release_blocker, kde, ASSIGNED , Logging into Plasma after upgrade from Mageia 5 results in two Home and Trash icons on desktop, plasma-desktop 20:53:53 <stormi> repeat your action and topic 20:53:58 <Akien> #action Luigi12 opens a new bug report for the phonon issue, amarok crash might be solved already 20:54:00 <Akien> #topic bug 19103 20:54:01 <neoclust> Luigi12: btw amarok is still porting to kf5 ( see https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/amarok-devel/2016-October/014120.html ) 20:54:02 <[mbot> [ Review Request 129237: [amarok] Try port services to KF5 ] 20:54:08 <Akien> Luigi is going faster than topics.. 20:54:39 <stormi> next time he'll have fixed the bugs before we do the meetings 20:54:40 <Luigi12> yeah sorry I'm leaving soon to go to dinner with my parents 20:54:53 <Luigi12> I have no comments on the last two bugs in our list 20:56:30 <stormi> I have trouble following your previous comments about 19103. Have you agreed on something already? 20:56:36 <Akien> So for bug 19103 I think neoclust will look at it, but needs some help about the testcase from Luigi12, right? 20:56:45 <neoclust> Akien: yes please 20:56:52 <Luigi12> stormi: for 19103, it'd help if someone besides me could test it 20:57:00 <Luigi12> it won't be easy for me to test it again 20:57:08 <Akien> #action neoclust will setup a test environment to reproduce the bug, but needs some help about the testcase from Luigi12 20:57:18 <neoclust> Luigi12: i will but as i hate windows i will need some help on seting up my test machine 20:57:32 <Luigi12> the test case is simple, sssd (against Active Directory, but I doubt that the backend makes a difference), log in as a non-local user 20:57:53 <Luigi12> but I don't have access to the AD at my new work 20:57:59 <stormi> Why is it a release blocker? Is it likely to affect a lot of users if we don't fix it before release? 20:58:06 <neoclust> Luigi12: we will speak of it on irc next week if you agree, will be simpler :) 20:58:10 <Luigi12> stormi: yes it is 20:58:39 <Luigi12> probably will affect anyone using non-local users like LDAP or AD, so any business environment, but nobody has tried to confirm it yet 20:58:56 <stormi> #action neoclust will try to reproduce with Luigi12's help 20:59:02 <Luigi12> neoclust: OK I can help with the sssd config if you need it 20:59:27 <Pharaoh_Atem> Luigi12, neoclust: it should be possible to try to test this with sssd authing against FreeIPA 20:59:31 <Akien> stormi: had already action'ed that ;) 20:59:46 <stormi> Akien: well they'll do it twice as fast now 20:59:57 <neoclust> stormi: we can go to the next bug then 20:59:57 <Luigi12> Pharaoh_Atem: or OpenLDAP, but in any case one would have to set up that backend. At least he has an existing AD at work, so that should make it easier. 20:59:59 <neoclust> for today :) 21:00:09 <Akien> bug 19153 21:00:10 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19153 normal, release_blocker, kde, ASSIGNED , Logging into Plasma after upgrade from Mageia 5 results in two Home and Trash icons on desktop, plasma-desktop 21:00:13 <Akien> #topic bug 19153 21:00:19 <neoclust> Akien: this one i will fix 21:00:24 <neoclust> i hope next week 21:00:39 <neoclust> next ? :p 21:00:47 <Luigi12> yep, move it along :o) 21:00:52 <Akien> #action neoclust will fix this one. 21:01:03 <Akien> #topic bug 19799 21:01:04 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19799 normal, release_blocker, kde, NEW , qt5 stack must be checked for sse2 code in 32bit builds, qt5 stack 21:01:12 <Akien> That's an important one 21:01:22 <Luigi12> maybe 21:01:39 <Luigi12> I wonder if my i586 laptops have sse2, I should check 21:01:55 <Luigi12> they're like 11.5 years old 21:02:07 <neoclust> david_david: can you take this one ? 21:02:13 <Pharaoh_Atem> sse2 has been in computers since late 90s 21:02:21 <Pharaoh_Atem> it's a pre-requisite for i686 21:02:28 <Luigi12> ahh, I'm probably OK then 21:02:29 <Pharaoh_Atem> along with cmov and a few others 21:02:50 <Pharaoh_Atem> I don't know why we're still i586 instead of i686 :/ 21:02:54 <Luigi12> gotta go, thanks everyone 21:02:57 <Pharaoh_Atem> maybe something for mga7 21:03:00 <neoclust> Luigi12: bye 21:03:02 <Pharaoh_Atem> Luigi12: thanks for being here :) 21:03:07 <stormi> bye Luigi12 21:03:39 <neoclust> 1163 %ifarch %ix86 21:03:39 <neoclust> 1164 -no-sse2 \ 21:03:39 <neoclust> 1165 %endif 21:03:51 <neoclust> david_david: can you see to add this on other qt5 packages ? 21:05:28 <Akien> Should we add this to %qmake_qt5 ? 21:05:33 <neoclust> stormi: go next, if david_david can't i will try to find time 21:05:37 <stormi> neoclust: ok 21:05:59 <stormi> #topic 19869 21:06:11 <stormi> #topic bug 19869 21:06:12 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19869 major, release_blocker, kde, NEW , After logging into Plasma from SDDM, the splash screen may freeze (STA1 updated 2016-11-29) 21:06:17 <neoclust> Akien: no because it won't be available on "normal" qt softwares qmake files 21:06:33 <Akien> neoclust: ok 21:06:37 <neoclust> stormi: we need to wait for sta2 and ask for tests 21:06:43 <neoclust> stormi: as i don't reproduce this 21:06:58 <stormi> neoclust: I do, david_david does and the original bug report does too 21:07:08 <neoclust> ah 21:07:13 <neoclust> stormi: so still valid for you ? 21:07:16 <david_david> neoclust: I can look yes, but I don't know what we should do exactly 21:07:21 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm really starting to think this is some kind of upstream bug 21:07:21 <Akien> I don't reproduce it here 21:07:25 <Pharaoh_Atem> where it's occurring, I don't know 21:07:33 <Pharaoh_Atem> but it happens for me on Fedora with my 3-screen system 21:07:38 <Pharaoh_Atem> but not on my single-screen system 21:07:48 <stormi> Hmm here it's a single screen 21:07:59 <Pharaoh_Atem> the only applications it affects are plasmashell and google-chrome-stable 21:08:08 <Pharaoh_Atem> which *really* makes me think something in the kernel is being screwy 21:08:27 <stormi> neoclust: yes still valid, I had it today 21:08:28 <Pharaoh_Atem> because there's not a lot in common with those two things in terms of libraries 21:08:40 <neoclust> stormi: can you test w/o prefdm ? 21:08:47 <stormi> neoclust: I can 21:08:53 <neoclust> stormi: to see if this is related to it ( or not ) 21:08:56 <neoclust> stormi: tks 21:09:07 <Pharaoh_Atem> oh wait, this is from sddm 21:09:11 <Pharaoh_Atem> nvm, I don't have that issue 21:09:18 <Pharaoh_Atem> I do have freezes happening after that 21:09:24 <stormi> Pharaoh_Atem: not just sddm, afterwards too 21:09:32 <stormi> Pharaoh_Atem: you have the same as comment 2? 21:09:42 <Pharaoh_Atem> yes 21:09:53 <Pharaoh_Atem> there's at least one rhbug about it too 21:09:59 <stormi> For some reason, the desktop stops refreshing itself 21:10:11 <stormi> but the applications can still be used 21:10:19 <Pharaoh_Atem> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1399396 21:10:20 <[mbot> Nothing found with the default search. 21:10:22 <stormi> (I can use Ctrl+Fx to change desktops) 21:10:49 <Pharaoh_Atem> we don't have the SDDM issue, but we do have plasmashell itself freezing randomly 21:11:12 <Pharaoh_Atem> based on what people have been seeing (myself included) it looks like something's broken in the kernel 21:11:29 <stormi> We have been supposed it's the same issue because it's similar and showed up at the same time, ie very recently 21:12:03 <stormi> And the workaround is the same too 21:13:21 <stormi> Any ideas how to handle this bug? 21:13:25 <Pharaoh_Atem> I've updated the ticket accordingly 21:14:22 <neoclust> ok we are done with the bugreports ? we can speak of other plasma/KDE issues ? 21:14:41 <Pharaoh_Atem> stormi: someone has apparently seen this issue on single-display systems in Fedora as well 21:14:48 <stormi> well any idea about how to handle bug 19869? 21:14:49 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19869 major, release_blocker, kde, NEW , After logging into Plasma from SDDM, the splash screen may freeze (STA1 updated 2016-11-29) 21:15:18 <david_david> yes when I got a freeze here I stop the plasmashell service and restart it again, but when it freezers a login there is nothing to do exept "ctrl+alt+backward" 21:15:18 <Pharaoh_Atem> stormi: *shrugs*, it seems like an upstream bug, but no one has enough info to figure out what's causing it 21:15:55 <stormi> david_david: have you tried Ctrl+Alt+F2 then Ctrl+Alt+F1 instead of Ctrl-Alt-Backspace? 21:16:24 <stormi> The good thing is, since david_david has the issue, he'll maybe be motived to investigate it :) 21:16:34 <Pharaoh_Atem> :D 21:16:37 <david_david> stormi: when it freezes at login? 21:16:40 <stormi> david_david: yes 21:17:02 <stormi> it works for me and Arne and Jüri 21:17:03 <david_david> nop 21:17:59 <stormi> I'll add myself a reminder that if I see no progress within one week, I'll have to create a bug commando 21:18:34 <stormi> #action KDE packagers, investigate, others help, stormi create a bug commando if nothing moves on withing one week 21:18:46 <stormi> #info similar bug at Fedora 21:19:06 <stormi> #topic 18032 21:19:10 <stormi> crap 21:19:12 <stormi> #topic bug 18032 21:19:13 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18032 critical, High, kde, NEW , sddm fails to register logins in /run/utmp, sddm 21:19:16 <david_david> I think it has come since kernel 4.8.10 series (not before with kernel 4.8.9), but not 100% sure 21:19:29 <Pharaoh_Atem> david_david: it's been this way for me since kernel 4.8.6 21:19:40 <david_david> ah 21:20:15 <Pharaoh_Atem> everything was fine in my tests on Fedora 25 pre-release in Plasma 5 (4.8.0~4.8.4), I think 21:20:25 <stormi> 18032 is not a blocker but is high priority and intended to be fixed before Mageia 6 according to its milestone, so I'd like us to review it too 21:20:36 <stormi> Don't be afraid, it's the last one 21:20:49 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm not sure I consider this a bug 21:21:32 <Pharaoh_Atem> it might have actually been a design choice 21:21:40 <Akien> stormi: note that you can do #undo when you get the topic wrong :) 21:22:12 <Akien> Should it be cross-posted upstream? 21:22:13 <stormi> Akien: well no one reads the minutes :) 21:22:32 <Pharaoh_Atem> stormi: besides, apparently I have pts/0 now on sddm/Plasma 5 in Fedora 21:22:50 <Pharaoh_Atem> so apparently it registers now... 21:23:49 <stormi> ok, thanks for the comments 21:23:56 <stormi> #topic anything else 21:24:06 <stormi> neoclust: you wanted to discuss other things 21:24:10 <neoclust> stormi: yes 21:24:36 <neoclust> stormi: we have kde apps 16.08.3 21:24:47 <neoclust> i would like a last update to 16.12.* 21:24:53 <neoclust> it improves a lot kdepim 21:24:56 <neoclust> told by laurent 21:25:29 <Pharaoh_Atem> we're very close to kapps 16.12 release, aren't we? 21:26:13 <stormi> Are there regressions? :) 21:26:15 <neoclust> 16.11.90 already available 21:26:22 <neoclust> stormi: of course not, this is kde apps 21:26:23 <neoclust> :p 21:26:35 <stormi> Oh of course 21:26:48 <stormi> If it fixes the recent focus issue in kmail... 21:26:59 <stormi> (no bug report created for now but really annoying) 21:27:13 <neoclust> stormi: lmontel told me he worked a lot on bugfixing on kmail for 16.12 21:27:21 <stormi> \o/ 21:27:30 <Pharaoh_Atem> neoclust: did okular get its kf5 port in 16.12? 21:27:39 <neoclust> let me look 21:28:53 <stormi> I really want to avoid delays and regressions, but maybe we could test it thoroughly from updates_testing? 21:29:08 <Pharaoh_Atem> I don't see why we couldn't 21:29:11 <stormi> and even ask QA for tests like they would for a real kde apps update 21:29:12 <neoclust> stormi: i can push all in testing 21:29:17 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: yes for okular 21:29:20 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: this is kf5 21:29:22 <Pharaoh_Atem> \o/ 21:29:43 <Pharaoh_Atem> something definitely to look forward to! 21:29:52 <neoclust> stormi: so i update on the svn and i push in updates_testing 21:30:15 <stormi> I think it deserves a mail to dev@ in case someone has a very good reason for us not to do the upgrade 21:30:23 <Akien> Is updates_testing clean? 21:30:28 <stormi> good question 21:30:33 <Akien> After the openssl11 mess, I'm a bit wary of using it 21:30:48 <Akien> We should maybe get it emptied 21:30:49 <neoclust> Akien: i removed openssl11 21:31:11 <neoclust> [root@duvel updates_testing]# ls 21:31:11 <neoclust> media_info/ repodata/ 21:31:18 <neoclust> Akien: next subject ? :p 21:31:29 <Akien> Ok, sounds good :D 21:31:40 <Pharaoh_Atem> :D 21:32:16 <Akien> So yeah, I think the update would be nice, but send a mail to dev@ just in case 21:33:00 <stormi> #action neoclust will send a mail to dev@ to propose to upgrade to latest KDE apps and push to updates_testing for us to test 21:33:29 <stormi> Anything else? 21:33:39 <neoclust> me, no :) 21:33:56 <stormi> Thanks for coming on a saturday evening 21:34:01 <neoclust> no pb :) 21:34:02 <stormi> #endmeeting