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19:47:25 <ennael> here we go
19:47:45 <ennael> so let's dedicate this meeting to review the very last features proposals
19:47:50 <coincoin> ennael: I know but you said me "ok, go ahead, no soucy if it fails" :�
19:48:07 * ennael thinks coincoin is playing with his life
19:48:41 <ennael> so the last one we saw last week was https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Openbox
19:48:46 <malo> Feature list is at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:ProposedFeatureMageia5
19:49:58 <anaselli> which one exactly?
19:50:06 <ennael> so about Openbox we said it was rather a documentation
19:50:09 <anaselli> sorry
19:50:15 <ennael> and it does not follow specs policy
19:50:28 <anaselli> ennael:  that is proabbly a mistake
19:50:40 <malo> Next one is https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Optimus
19:50:40 <coincoin> ennael: I so sorry... but I can't do anything else for now than calling Samir everyday
19:51:26 <anaselli> i don't know how, but I'm in favour
19:51:30 <anaselli> :)
19:51:47 <ennael> well bumblebee is not a solution for sure
19:51:57 <anaselli> fedora, suse and ubuntu have it
19:52:16 <ennael> it's just a crappy hack that can explode during any update or upgrade
19:53:16 <anaselli> i shoud have read that badly.... i'm tired :) i thougt to bumblebee
19:54:10 <ennael> do we have any upstream support coming?
19:55:09 <anaselli> don't know... we should ask tmb or Anssi maybe
19:55:23 <malo> bumblebee is in cauldron
19:55:30 <ennael> it should not :/
19:55:39 <ennael> let's mail -dev and ask tmb
19:56:45 <anaselli> :maint bumblebee -v cauldron
19:56:45 <Sophie> anaselli: For Mageia (bumblebee): akien
19:56:49 <malo> remi sent a mail to -dev about it in February
19:57:15 <ennael> ok let resend it
19:57:16 <malo> remi = Akien
19:58:52 <ennael> ok mail sent at least to start discussion
19:59:45 <ennael> anything else on that one?
20:00:25 <anaselli> not here
20:01:26 <ennael> ok next one then
20:01:27 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:PhononVlcAsDefault
20:02:10 <anaselli> I think it had been two votes in mailing lists
20:03:05 <ennael> for what I can remember gstreamer was chosen in Mandriva to have a common way to manage it through an application for codecs
20:03:32 <anaselli> maybe we could ask to vlc, gnome and kde maintainers
20:03:46 <malo> ennael: we now have task-codecs-audio and video
20:04:11 <ennael> yep
20:04:19 <malo> it should work for both gstreamer and phonon
20:04:22 <ennael> so I guess that one is ok
20:05:02 <malo> ok for me
20:05:12 <anaselli> no objections
20:05:27 <malo> next?
20:05:28 <ennael> ok
20:05:29 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UseDEnativeAppletPrinter
20:07:39 <anaselli> other non gnome and kde DEs?
20:08:09 <anaselli> but i see his point
20:09:13 <ennael> this shoule be discussed with DE maintainers
20:09:26 <ennael> Luc is rather KDE oriented if I remember well
20:10:01 <anaselli> i think so
20:10:41 <anaselli> that's why i see his point :p
20:10:44 <ennael> :)
20:10:49 <ennael> any objection ?
20:11:09 <anaselli> no i think coling can say something for gnome too
20:11:27 <ennael> he is not aroun tonight
20:11:28 <ennael> around
20:11:38 <anaselli> i read his mail :)
20:13:26 <ennael> ok we can ping DE maintainers
20:13:39 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Upgrade_to_Samba4_(mga5)
20:13:45 <ennael> that one is a big one
20:14:04 <malo> is buchan around?
20:14:11 <malo> or guillomovitch?
20:14:15 <coincoin> IIRC neoclust starts to work on it with buchan
20:14:28 <ennael> really?
20:14:33 <anaselli> malo you mean blingme: ?
20:14:49 <ennael> yep$
20:14:54 <blingme> hi
20:15:00 <coincoin> neoclust asked blingme for his SRPMS to work on it
20:15:01 <ennael> hi buchan :)
20:15:02 <blingme> you invoked me
20:15:05 <blingme> hi
20:15:06 <ennael> looks so :)
20:15:17 <ennael> we are on that one
20:15:17 <anaselli> it was me really ;p
20:15:17 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Upgrade_to_Samba4_(mga5)
20:15:26 <ennael> for mageia 5
20:15:36 <ennael> and we need your opinion on that one
20:17:22 <blingme> uploading the last src.rpm I had here: http://staff.telkomsa.net/~bgmilne/mageia/
20:17:23 <[mbot> [ Index of /~bgmilne/mageia ]
20:17:44 <blingme> was of 4.0.0 final, no systemd yet
20:18:35 <blingme> I hope to find time to update it and finish it in the next few weeks, but always new fires to fight since our new initiatives at $work since January last year :-(
20:18:45 <ennael> what about possible effect in other components in Mageia ?
20:19:41 <blingme> this package is intended to parallel install with samba-3.x, so we can test it, then promote it and demote samba-3.x to samba3.
20:20:25 <anaselli> diskdrake maybe?
20:20:31 <ennael> yep
20:20:39 <blingme> Biggest dependencies are packages that actually need the samba4 libs, libsmbclient I think was not impacted much, mount.cifs not etc.
20:20:56 <anaselli> and draksambashare
20:21:01 <ennael> ok so we need to list all that deps
20:21:22 <ennael> blingme: any feedbacks on production use of samba4?
20:22:17 <blingme> I think in the last few months before they released 4.0.0, they managed to forward port most file/print sharing code to samba4
20:22:34 <blingme> I haven't tested myself or followed too closely reports from production deployments of samba4
20:23:47 <blingme> Also, I am not sure how many people are shipping it built in a way the samba4-specific (AD feature parity on the server side) features functional, as there is the need to build with the internal heimdal distribution.
20:24:54 <blingme> which then brings complications in linking with other libraries that are linked to mit kerberos
20:24:59 <anaselli> so could we provide a package without integration?
20:25:07 <ennael> a samba4 package to start with
20:25:08 <anaselli> i mean samba4
20:25:13 <anaselli> :)
20:25:27 <blingme> yes, so this is as I have it so far, I think ...
20:25:28 <ennael> can we manage to have both versions in repos?
20:25:33 <ennael> ok
20:25:40 <ennael> maybe it would be a good start
20:25:58 <anaselli> and it is almost a package issue ;)
20:26:07 <anaselli> only i mean
20:26:32 <ennael> ok anaselli is volunteer to do it :)
20:26:40 <blingme> I think let's try and finish it as is (I think I needed to add a few more subpackages for newly named libraries) with systemd support, as samba4 (not replacing samba-3 yet), get it in a test repo
20:26:53 <anaselli> unforutnately i use little linux at office atm :(
20:27:01 <blingme> then maybe look at adding build flags to build with internal heimdal
20:27:10 <ennael> blingme: yep sounds good
20:27:20 <anaselli> but if blingme knock i will open :)
20:27:37 <ennael> can you handle it in coming weeks between 2 baby bottles ? :)
20:27:45 <blingme> also, there is some progress on OpenLDAP modules for samba4 compat ... which I think would make things even more interesting
20:27:56 * blingme is expecting 3rd one soon ....
20:28:06 <ennael> that's why I say it ;)
20:28:25 <ennael> I've seen a conference in FOSDEM explaining the progress done on compat which sounds good indded
20:28:28 <ennael> indee
20:28:29 <blingme> about time to tech the oldest rpmbuild :-)
20:28:30 <ennael> raaa indeed
20:28:34 <ennael> :)
20:28:41 <blingme> teach*
20:29:11 * blingme off to bed
20:29:11 <ennael> ok so about samba4 in a test repo first, check it's ok without replacing samba3
20:29:17 <ennael> thanks blingme
20:29:28 <anaselli> bye blingme
20:29:40 <ennael> ok next one is about installer
20:29:41 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Add_a_step_in_order_to_choose_computer%27s_name_(installation)
20:29:59 <anaselli> i think this should be in drakconnect already
20:30:13 <anaselli> but maybe we missed somethinh on fraknetcenter
20:30:21 <anaselli> draknetcenter :)
20:30:23 <ennael> it is but if I'm not wrong the software used in installer is different
20:30:55 <anaselli> well, iirc when you set mirrors you've been asked to add host also
20:31:14 <anaselli> i think once worked
20:31:29 <ennael> I've never seen it
20:32:07 <anaselli> did try network installation?
20:32:17 <ennael> yep
20:32:34 <ennael> but using classical media ?
20:32:34 <anaselli> i will check it again, i have to do one next week end...
20:33:00 <ennael> ok
20:33:03 <ennael> so to be checked
20:33:26 <anaselli> I take a note and add a comment
20:33:31 <ennael> ok thanks
20:33:39 <ennael> about https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
20:33:46 <ennael> I propose another dedicated discussion
20:33:50 <anaselli> well there is nothing to say here :D
20:34:02 <ennael> with coling and other guys
20:34:15 <ennael> we can fix this on ML so that we can have really people implied around
20:34:21 <anaselli> yeah, i think it's not a matter of acceptance :)
20:34:49 <ennael> last one is https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:XFCE_Live
20:35:31 <ennael> for now it's just not doable as one more iso means more time for tests
20:35:34 <anaselli> well disk space and people for building and testing is the real obstacol
20:35:50 <malo> mostly people for testing
20:35:54 <ennael> we are not in a position where we can multiply isos
20:36:04 <anaselli> agree
20:36:11 <ennael> it's already very hard to get enough people on existing list of isos
20:37:17 <anaselli> you can ask 10 tester for any new iso asked ennael :D
20:37:23 <ennael> :)
20:37:36 <ennael> ok the list is over
20:37:41 <anaselli> \o/
20:37:47 <malo> yeah!
20:37:57 <malo> now we just need to do things ;-P
20:38:04 <ennael> "just" :)
20:38:22 <ennael> ok let's stop meeting here for tonight and restart usual meetings for the next one
20:38:27 <anaselli> malo:  just
20:38:36 <ennael> is that ok ?
20:38:41 <anaselli> ok for me
20:40:23 <malo> yes
20:40:25 <philippem> ok
20:41:09 <ennael> thanks for being there tonight
20:41:14 <ennael> #endmeeting