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20:40:03 <ennael> #chair malo
20:40:03 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael malo
20:40:45 <malo> morning all
20:40:53 <sebsebseb> evening
20:40:53 <diogenese> Morning
20:41:08 <ennael> evening
20:41:39 <AL13N> noon
20:41:51 <malo> ennael: what's one the menu tonight?
20:42:13 <malo> s/one/on/
20:42:15 <ennael> lots of things to make people busy anough for coming year :p
20:42:37 <ennael> fortunately end of the year is in 1 month and a half :)
20:42:52 <ennael> #topic Release Beta 1 and preparation Beta 2
20:42:54 * coling is here
20:42:58 <ennael> hey coincoin
20:43:00 <ennael> oups
20:43:03 <ennael> hey coling
20:43:36 <ennael> so first topic is about beta 1 release just done and coming plan until final release
20:44:17 <ennael> beta 1 has been finally released and may have been one of the most complicated since the beginning
20:44:42 <ennael> thanks again tmb, coling, QA team who spent a lot of energy there
20:45:09 <coling> Change all the things!!!
20:45:18 <ennael> :)
20:45:36 <ennael> well we can that the last big changes were done there
20:45:53 <malo> no more changes
20:46:04 <ennael> so now we need to work on the remaining time to fix and improve the global quality
20:46:32 <ennael> we had a council meeting on monday and it was decided to modify the planning for mageia 4
20:46:37 <coling> Yup. Although tmb was still fighting with grub2.... not sure how that will go regarding UEFI support, so there might still be some flux there I guess.
20:47:20 <ennael> so we keep the same final date for mageia 4 (FOSDEM we)
20:47:55 <ennael> but move the beta 2 and RC release dates
20:48:03 <ennael> to leave enough time for both
20:48:11 <ennael> you can see the new date here: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development
20:48:21 <ennael> a blog post is in progress to announce it
20:48:59 <ennael> questions ? comments on this point ?
20:49:16 <malo> ok for me :-)
20:50:59 <malo> Next important date is Beta 2 on 09/12
20:51:07 <ennael> yep
20:51:15 <ennael> so we need to focus on various issues
20:51:32 <ennael> network interface renaming, installer, languages updates
20:51:53 <ennael> and more generally the global status of our DE which are sometimes in a bad shape
20:54:16 <ennael> questions, comments?
20:55:16 <malo> You-Cheng was also concerned about ibus.
20:55:50 <malo> it affects lots of users potentially
20:55:58 <ennael> yep
20:56:07 <ennael> do we have somebody able to manage this ?
20:56:49 <ennael> malo: do we have reports opened?
20:57:29 <malo> ennael: you-cheng is my apprentice and de facto maintainer of ibus and scim. He asked for help on -dev.
20:57:49 <malo> ennael: bug 8731
20:57:59 <ennael> it would be nice to have some bug reports on it and keep it in release blocker list
20:58:04 <ennael> just for reminder
20:58:09 <ennael> I'm adding it
20:58:22 <malo> it seems a gtk2 vs gtk3 bug
20:58:43 <ennael> any other?
20:59:10 <DavidWHodgins> There's also bug 9073, bug 10321, and bug 10534
20:59:32 <DavidWHodgins> All of those are ibus related.
20:59:55 <ennael> ok it's worse to have a tracker on it and add tracker to release blocker
21:00:23 <ennael> hum
21:00:28 <ennael> s/worse/worth/
21:00:32 * ennael slaps ennael
21:02:19 <malo> ennael: I can ask You-Cheng to keep it up-to-date
21:02:32 <malo> ennael: it reminds me that I should graduate him
21:03:39 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11709
21:03:41 <[mbot> [ Bug 11709 [TRACKER] Bugs related to ibus ]
21:05:15 <ennael> let switch to release blockers topic
21:05:29 <ennael> #topic Release blocker bugs
21:06:48 <ennael> here is the saved search in bugzilla https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=release_blocker&sharer_id=69&list_id=16955
21:07:23 <malo> so few :-P
21:07:32 <ennael> don't say that :)
21:07:43 <ennael> it's like walking near a black cat :)
21:07:59 <DavidWHodgins> malo: We haven't had time to review the open bugs yet, and decide which ones are releaes blockers.
21:08:14 <malo> DavidWHodgins: I know :-).
21:08:33 <ennael> we have a tracker for the main one: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11704
21:08:35 <[mbot> [ Bug 11704 [Tracker] Mageia 4 Release Critical ]
21:08:40 <DavidWHodgins> I expect we'll do that during beta 2 testing.
21:08:51 <ennael> now I would suggest to focus on that list
21:09:06 <ennael> and share them to follow any progress on each of them
21:09:30 <ennael> coling: can you have a look there on the one for you?
21:09:55 <coling> which one in particular?
21:10:43 <coling> or do you just mean generally?
21:10:45 <ennael> I guess they may not be all there
21:10:49 <ennael> but generally yes :
21:10:50 <ennael> :)
21:11:06 <ennael> especially the one in installer if any that cannot be fixed after release
21:11:09 <coling> No worries
21:11:19 <ennael> so that we have time to see with concerned people
21:12:22 <ennael> malo: any comment, suggestion?
21:16:38 <malo> ennael: sorry I'm eating :-)
21:18:08 * coling too!
21:19:08 <ennael> ok I'm picking up a coffee then :)
21:22:18 <malo> ennael: no particular comment so far. The dev and qa team need to review opened bugs and flag the RC ones.
21:24:27 <ennael> ok. your turn now ? :)
21:26:00 <malo> ennael: ok, then next topic :-)
21:26:32 <DavidWHodgins> malo: Mass rebuild fixes
21:26:49 <malo> #topic Mass rebuild fixes
21:27:42 <malo> Mass rebuild found 837 packages did not rebuild
21:27:53 <malo> since then 330 packages were fixed
21:28:08 <malo> there are 507 left.
21:28:25 <malo> The policy is to remove all packages which do not rebuild ...
21:29:05 <malo> The results of the mass rebuild are at http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/results.php?run=2013-10-13
21:29:06 <[mbot> [ 92.8% Success ]
21:30:09 <malo> each package gets his/her own report from http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/
21:30:10 <[mbot> [ QA global report ]
21:30:10 <ennael> a lot of java stuff inside
21:30:40 <malo> ennael: dmorgan needs help ...
21:35:48 <tarakbumba> Hi. Did i miss the meeting?
21:36:22 <malo> tarakbumba: it's still on
21:36:30 <DavidWHodgins> tarakbumba: The first half, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of people participating.
21:36:53 <AL13N> malo: we need a new overview...
21:37:01 <tarakbumba> Thank you.
21:37:06 <AL13N> it's been a month
21:37:11 <ennael> what is a new overview
21:37:12 <AL13N> we can't really see clearly
21:37:14 <ennael> ?
21:37:20 <AL13N> http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/results.php?run=2013-10-13
21:37:21 <[mbot> [ 92.8% Success ]
21:37:27 <AL13N> it's from 13th octobre
21:37:48 <AL13N> it would be nice if pterjan could do a new run
21:39:21 <malo> AL13N: a new autobuild, yes
21:39:59 <coling> Is there are way to see failure by maintainer?
21:40:38 <AL13N> there used to be a build section here: http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/
21:40:39 <[mbot> [ QA global report ]
21:40:43 <AL13N> i can't see it though
21:40:49 <AL13N> maybe it was another link
21:41:08 <malo> AL13N: it disappeared ... It was there earlier
21:41:29 <AL13N> yes
21:42:13 <diogenese> There's a newer autobuild in the list: http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/results.php?run=2013-10-17
21:42:14 <[mbot> [ 92.2% Success ]
21:42:41 <AL13N> myeah, but it's still more than a month ago
21:43:10 <ennael> ok we will ping pterjan for it
21:43:18 <AL13N> but alot of it is java based
21:43:29 <AL13N> likely several hundred
21:44:22 <ennael> 22:30 < ennael> a lot of java stuff inside
21:45:56 <malo> Ok. So everyone should look at the list
21:45:56 <AL13N> >_>
21:46:25 <malo> the breakdown per maintainer will come back soon (I will ping sysadm)
21:47:02 <malo> Anything else on the topic?
21:47:58 <tarakbumba> Also almost all mate packages failed to build, due to: python-gobject-2.28.6-10.mga4.i586 (due to unsatisfied typelib(to)) dependency
21:48:18 <ennael> philippem: around ?
21:48:33 <malo> #info everyone should look at the results of the Mass rebuild and fix the packages which have not built
21:49:53 <malo> tarakbumba: I thought philippem fixed that
21:50:49 <malo> tarakbumba: please ping him again on the mailing list
21:50:55 <tarakbumba> I just look at last autobuild, which is almost a month ago. So, we will see that...
21:51:18 <malo> tarakbumba: also, please talk to diogenese, he can help with MATE
21:51:35 <tarakbumba> maylo: if you mean my last dev-mailing list mail about python-gobject, he surely fixed that.
21:52:13 <malo> tarakbumba: so maybe pushing the MATE packages again will work this time
21:52:14 <tarakbumba> I talk with diogenese, he' s a great supporter for Mate. :)
21:52:18 <diogenese> How much time does a rebuild take.
21:52:24 <diogenese> ?
21:53:08 <malo> diogenese: it's not a mass rebuild, just a rebuild of the packages that the mass rebuild did not rebuild
21:53:31 <diogenese> Not long then. Good. A newer list would be nice.
21:53:53 <tarakbumba> I think MATE rebuilding consumes 2-3 hours on my 6 core amd machine...
21:54:03 <malo> easy then
21:54:19 <malo> next topic then, since it's linked
21:54:32 <malo> #topic dependencies
21:55:11 <malo> We need to solve all the problems listed in http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html
21:55:12 <[mbot> [ dependencies global report ]
21:56:22 <malo> sander is sending regular reports
21:58:44 <malo> but each of us should look at our dependency report
21:59:07 <malo> #info please fix the dependencies before Beta 2 http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html
21:59:08 <[mbot> [ dependencies global report ]
22:00:41 <malo> Anything on that topic ?
22:01:00 <ennael> nope
22:01:45 <AL13N> so, this is the time to fix dependencies, build failures, bugfixes and some features...
22:01:49 <AL13N> that's the short of it?
22:02:05 <AL13N> btw: is it necessary to roll back some features or not?
22:02:34 <malo> AL13N: yes, it's the time :-)
22:03:28 <AL13N> i found this: http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/cauldron/x86_64/core/2013-10-17/zarafa-7.1.5-2.mga4.src.rpm/zarafa-7.1.5-2.mga4.src.rpm.youri.log does this mean it just needs to be rebuilt?
22:03:36 <AL13N> (bumped release?)
22:03:52 <malo> AL13N: yes :-)
22:06:22 <malo> Anything else on the topic?
22:07:51 <ennael> nope they are all killed :)
22:08:51 <AL13N> is there another topic?
22:09:03 <malo> AL13N: not really
22:09:15 <malo> #topic Any other topic?
22:10:02 <AL13N> lol
22:10:49 <malo> marja suggested that fonts all go into System/Fonts rather than System/Fonts/TrueType etc
22:10:57 <malo> in rpm groups
22:12:22 <malo> any objection?
22:12:33 <AL13N> i don't think anyone would object to this
22:13:34 <malo> ok
22:13:47 <malo> it's voted by 1 vote against 0
22:13:54 <AL13N> lol
22:13:58 <ennael> ok here also
22:13:59 <malo> Let's close the meeting then :-P
22:14:01 <AL13N> any other votes need to be taken care of?
22:14:02 <ennael> \o/
22:15:12 <AL13N> yeah, ok
22:15:25 <diogenese> 😊
22:15:26 <malo> yeah \o/ everyone goes to bed :-)
22:15:38 <ennael> great !
22:15:55 <diogenese> Not everyone.
22:15:55 <malo> and dreams about release critical bugs
22:16:14 <AL13N> don't jinx it
22:17:19 <malo> #endmeeting