19:18:33 <ennael> #startmeeting
19:18:33 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Tue Aug 20 19:18:33 2013 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:19:28 <ennael> #topic Alpha 1 debriefing
19:20:01 <ennael> so alpha 1 was released thanks to QA and tmb on the 10th of august
19:20:12 <ennael> only live isos
19:20:39 <ennael> some work has to be done especially on GNOME packaging as on my side I've had some nasty bugs in building isos
19:21:17 <ennael> also some work on syslinux for isos as it has some annoying random behaviour which made me crazy :)
19:21:52 <marja> :-(
19:22:09 <ennael> this should be solved for second alpha
19:22:15 <marja> :-)
19:22:21 <ennael> MrsB: anything to add on alpha 1 ?
19:22:22 * Luigi12_work wonders if syslinux 4.05 would help
19:22:51 <ennael> Luigi12: I will corrupt the maintainer to get it ready :)
19:22:57 <Luigi12_work> nice
19:23:28 <ennael> anybody else from QA team around ?
19:23:38 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa
19:23:52 <ennael> hey
19:24:14 <DavidWHodgins> The problems caused by the network interface renaming have to get high priority.
19:24:39 <DavidWHodgins> Affects the installer, and things like drakgw.
19:24:45 <Luigi12_work> I'm sure it will once coling returns from whichever parallel universe he's in right now :o)
19:24:55 <sebsebseb> hi
19:24:56 <marja> :)
19:25:31 <ennael> #info topics to be solved for alpha2: syslinux, GNOME, network interface renaming
19:25:33 <malo> DavidWHodgins: did you have enough testers for the pre-isos?
19:25:34 <DavidWHodgins> Gnome is reallly in an alpha state right now. Lots of crashes, and high cpu usage.
19:25:54 <sebsebseb> well it's in development upstream as well
19:25:59 <DavidWHodgins> I think so. ISO testing is much more popular than updates testing.
19:27:06 <Luigi12_work> I'll never understand that :o(
19:27:20 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:27:41 <DavidWHodgins> More people are interested in what's coming next.
19:27:43 <pitahaya> What do you heard by update testing, the migration mga 3 -> alpha ?
19:27:57 <Luigi12_work> bugfix and security updates for stable releases
19:28:09 <pitahaya> ok
19:28:25 <Luigi12_work> the QA team tests all of those too, you can always see the current list in testing at http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:28:27 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
19:28:28 <marja> Luigi12_work: updates are often about packages one never used.... it takes extra time to figure out how to use it
19:28:31 <DavidWHodgins> Haven't tried upgrade testing yet.
19:29:05 <marja> Luigi12_work: only 2! that is nice :)
19:29:08 <DavidWHodgins> The live iso images can't be used for uprgrades.
19:29:35 <Luigi12_work> yeah MrsB and DavidWHodgins and david_david have done a great job the past two weeks testing stuff
19:29:47 <Luigi12_work> + others I forgot to mention
19:29:49 <ennael> great to hear
19:29:52 <marja> DavidWHodgins: is it any use to try upgrading with boot.iso at this stage, or is that useless?
19:29:59 <sander85> marja: hmm, kde seems to be missing from that list
19:30:08 <ennael> #info security updates are nearly ok for now (2 remaining)
19:30:19 <Luigi12_work> sander85: yes I don't know why the KDE update hasn't been pushed to QA
19:30:22 <DavidWHodgins> marja: Probably a good idea to get started.
19:30:43 <Luigi12_work> all of the packages are ready.  I think mikala wanted some feedback on the advisory, but testing could begin before that's finalized.
19:30:50 <marja> DavidWHodgins: OK, I'll try to make time for that
19:31:13 <sander85> Luigi12_work: I'm already testing :)
19:31:16 <ennael> anything else to add on alpha 1 ?
19:31:18 <Luigi12_work> sander85: nice :D
19:31:19 <sander85> works fine for me
19:31:24 <DavidWHodgins> That's all for me.
19:31:48 <ennael> ok
19:31:54 <ennael> #topic Alpha 2 preparations (Feature review)
19:32:18 <ennael> as a reminder https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia4_Review
19:32:51 <ennael> AL13N_lappy should have or will send mail to all people implied so that we have a status on these features
19:33:23 <Luigi12_work> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/28114
19:33:25 <[mbot> [ Gmane -- Mageia 4: Features ]
19:33:44 <malo> Among the features, MATE is in a very good shape, thanks to diogenese and attila's work.
19:34:11 <sebsebseb> what about Cinnamon though?
19:34:26 <Luigi12_work> it makes you choke if you try to eat a whole glob of it
19:34:33 <malo> Cinnamon still needs some work to get the look and feel of Mageia, plus it still crashes a bit
19:34:36 <marja> grinz
19:34:38 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: heh heh uhmm yeah
19:34:48 <sebsebseb> marja: oh
19:34:51 <sebsebseb> for malo
19:35:02 <malo> More testing is useful for both though.
19:35:05 <marja> malo: the grinz was for what Luigi12_work said, not for the crashing :-/
19:35:18 <malo> marja: I understood ;-)
19:35:22 <marja> :)
19:36:03 <MrsB> Sorry I'm late, brb
19:36:06 <malo> kscreen is done as well (as far as I can tell)
19:36:19 <sebsebseb> ok nice I guess :)
19:36:28 <sebsebseb> MrsB: evening
19:36:36 <malo> djennings is working hard on the Desktop selection screen
19:36:42 <malo> but it's not there yet
19:36:51 <djennings> yep it is ready to commit
19:37:09 <marja> :)
19:37:10 <malo> philippem is working on the python stuff, but he needs help
19:37:35 <malo> so mentors should send their apprentices to philippem
19:38:13 <marja> malo: before a crash course on python?
19:39:08 <malo> marja: philippem will explain :-) no python coding needed.
19:39:27 <marja> malo: OK :-)
19:39:45 <malo> Apart from that, the other features need to progress. :-)
19:40:18 <ennael> ok we need feedback from AL13N_lappy then
19:41:02 <ennael> anything else ?
19:41:07 <dpula> malo: I'd be more than happy to help philippem once I get a mentor, and go through the motions, etc.
19:41:12 <MrsB> sorry, really here now
19:43:36 <malo> dpula: sure :-)
19:43:40 <malo> ennael: next?
19:43:55 <ennael> yep
19:44:06 <ennael> #topic mentoring update
19:44:11 <ennael> malo: your turn ?
19:45:52 <marja> ennael: he's extinguishing the fire in the kitchen
19:46:12 <malo> marja: ...
19:46:15 <malo> ennael: sure
19:46:44 <ennael> :)
19:46:44 <malo> Since last time, I don't think we had any new apprentice
19:47:23 <malo> several candidates were waiting, and I sent a mail to -dev to find mentors, but no apprentice reacted ...
19:48:34 <malo> We had one new apprentice who graduated: Joseph Wang
19:48:40 <malo> copngrats to him!
19:48:45 <malo> congrats :-)
19:48:46 <marja> :)
19:48:46 <ennael> :)
19:48:52 <sebsebseb> congrats :)
19:49:04 <malo> He's very active, so it's good :-)
19:49:10 <sebsebseb> yeah the Cinnamon packager?
19:49:15 <malo> sebsebseb: yes
19:49:22 <sebsebseb> yeah good stuff :)
19:49:29 <marja> Wang seems to be a good surname for packaging :-)
19:49:34 <malo> he's also into cloud-computing and astronomy
19:49:42 <sebsebseb> ok nice :)
19:50:08 <malo> and now the traditional question: who's new? :-)
19:50:18 <malo> dpula: your turn :-)
19:50:18 <sebsebseb> malo is brand new :d
19:50:20 <MrsB> dpula i think signed up
19:50:40 <dpula> I am new here. :)
19:50:44 <MrsB> o/
19:50:47 <marja> dpula: welcome!
19:50:56 <sebsebseb> dpula: welcome :) hello
19:51:10 <Luigi12_work> so in other words he's got his head in the clouds
19:51:12 <dpula> Thanks! :)
19:51:24 <ennael> (poor him)
19:51:25 <ennael> :)
19:51:46 <malo> dpula is our most recent registered to the candidate list. So if there is a mentor for him, please volunteer.
19:52:25 <pitahaya> welcome dpula :)
19:52:43 <malo> we need mentors for neofutur, nmartin, codebase7 and napcok as well
19:53:04 <malo> So please volunteer and send a mail to the apprentice candidate you can mentor
19:53:14 <malo> the list is at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager
19:53:57 <ennael> #info mentors needed for neofutur, nmartin, codebase7, napcok and dpula
19:54:49 <malo> ennael: thanks. That's it for me.
19:55:08 <ennael> ok last topic then
19:55:13 <ennael> #topic Font packaging policy
19:55:29 <ennael> marja: your turn I guess ?
19:55:56 <marja> The reason I asked for this topic, was that we have fonts packages that are named according to our policy, but others that are not
19:56:06 <marja> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fonts_packaging_policy#Naming
19:56:38 <marja> last year, I understood that dmorgan preferred the Fedora policy, but rindolf ours
19:57:16 <marja> here are some of the current package names http://mageia.madb.org/package/list/t_group/19/application/0/page/2
19:57:17 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
19:57:48 <marja> apart from that (thanks Luigi) there is now a shift towards otf fonts
19:58:10 <marja> and we don't have anything about those OpenType fonts in our policy
19:58:44 <marja> and last but not least, there are some items in our policy, that were undecided from the beginning
19:59:27 <marja> I know too little about fonts to make good suggestions
19:59:43 <ennael> have you already mail -dev about this?
19:59:49 <marja> but I think it isn't good to have a policy we don't follow and that is not complete
20:00:24 <marja> ennael: some weeks ago I mentioned in a reply to a mail from malo that I'd like this to be discussed
20:00:33 <marja> ennael: but no one responded
20:00:50 <ennael> then could you write a new mail [RFC] listing all these items
20:01:08 <marja> ennael: fine.... what is "RFC" ?
20:01:18 <diogenese> Request for comments
20:01:19 <ennael> request for comment
20:01:24 <marja> thx :)
20:02:32 <ennael> thanks for that
20:03:08 <marja> ennael: yw
20:04:53 <sebsebseb> lag/slwoness :d
20:05:21 <ennael> anything else for tonight (before everybody fall asleep) ?
20:05:26 <sebsebseb> nope
20:05:29 <sebsebseb> I think it's end meeting time
20:05:42 <Oro_Valley> just coming from lunch :)
20:06:08 <ennael> Oro_Valley: as you are the last one you will have to finalize all mageia 4 features :)
20:06:22 <Oro_Valley> yes, sure
20:06:30 <ennael> ok thanks for attending. I guess next meeting should be a bit more alive
20:06:56 <ennael> #endmeeting