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19:14:17 <ennael> hi all
19:14:39 <Kharec> hi :)
19:14:52 <ennael> so let start this meeting
19:14:56 <malo> hi all
19:15:02 <ennael> #chair malo
19:15:02 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: ennael malo
19:15:17 <ennael> #topic release process until Mageia 3 is out
19:15:42 <ennael> so RC is planned for 19/04
19:16:08 <ennael> tests are in progress on isos
19:16:18 <ennael> MrsB: want to give us first impressions ?
19:16:30 <Kharec> I have a question about the releases. What does mean "Mageia 3 virtual machine"? Cloud images on Mageia? :)
19:16:37 <Kharec> oh sorry
19:16:43 <Kharec> maybe after :)
19:16:49 <MrsB> None of the images seem to work in virtualbox
19:16:49 <ennael> rather vbox vm
19:17:17 <MrsB> First impressions are good but there are still a number of serious bugs
19:17:32 <ennael> nothing works in vbox ?
19:17:41 <MrsB> Doesn't seem to
19:18:08 <Kharec> ennael: ok thanks
19:18:11 <ennael> any report on it.
19:18:13 <ennael> ?
19:18:15 <MrsB> Live isos all fail and after the upgrade i just completed from mga2 it had the same thing. I haven't actually done a fresh vbox install from classic yet
19:18:35 <MrsB> 2 reports, one closed
19:18:51 <ennael> can you give the one still opened?
19:19:05 <MrsB> just looking on the pad
19:19:12 <MrsB> 9759
19:19:46 <MrsB> bijiben segfaulting another obvious one - 9757
19:20:34 <MrsB> there is a strange Floating point exception message too I've noticed but not been able to find any logs of it
19:20:34 <Kharec> I took a look
19:20:42 <Kharec> archlinux have the same bug
19:20:51 <Kharec> but I didn't find a patch anywhere.
19:21:11 * coling installed in vbox today via net install. Works fine.
19:21:43 <ennael> no update since...
19:21:44 <MrsB> vbox on mga3 or mga2 coling?
19:21:56 <coling> MrsB, vbox host on mga3
19:22:14 <ennael> I will give a try also here after meeting
19:22:30 <MrsB> it could be to do with that then, or possibly just live isos. I'll confirm with a vbox classic install tomorrow. Done enough for today
19:22:43 <philippem> I did an install from beta4 last sunday, with updates at the end of the install process without problem
19:23:29 <ennael> I guess pb occurs using RC isos
19:24:07 <ennael> #info check status of coming isos using vbox
19:24:23 <MrsB> Dave had several serious bugs too, see pad and a recent report of mkinitrd failure
19:24:32 <ennael> ok
19:25:53 <ennael> final release is planned 2 weeks after RC but still it will depend on release_critical list
19:26:04 <ennael> sysadmins around?
19:26:07 <ennael> boklm ?
19:26:20 <MrsB> one annoying bug too, MCC asks to quit every time
19:26:45 <ennael> annoying but can be fixed after release
19:26:51 <MrsB> yes
19:26:55 <Kharec> MrsB: is it reported?
19:26:57 <ennael> let keep it for review just after
19:27:02 <MrsB> it won't look good on tests is all
19:27:16 <boklm> ennael: yes
19:27:19 <ennael> ah
19:27:41 <ennael> boklm: we will need to check with you guys how to check all the needed items for Mageia 3 release
19:27:49 <ennael> mirrors and so on
19:27:52 <boklm> ok
19:28:09 <ennael> let do it on sysadminML
19:28:18 <boklm> ok
19:28:20 <ennael> maybe check first the todo list about all this
19:28:24 <boklm> I think we had a list on the wiki for previous release
19:29:00 * MrsB cooking, yell if needed
19:29:22 <ennael> boklm: can you have a look on that one https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8833
19:29:24 <[mbot> [ Bug 8833 remove firefox-aurora, firefox-beta, firefox-beta-l10n, chromium-browser-unstable, chromium-browser-beta for mga 3 ]
19:29:31 <boklm> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_Release_Countdown
19:29:36 <ennael> I guess it's time to fix that one and close this tracker
19:30:04 <boklm> ah yes, we need to add this to release todo list
19:31:00 <ennael> ok I let you manage that one then
19:31:09 <boklm> ok
19:31:36 <ennael> we will need also isos testers to help finalize work on RC and then final release
19:32:02 <ennael> you can volunteer now but please do it if you have some time to spend on it
19:33:09 <ennael> looks like it killed everybody :)
19:33:25 <Kharec> I'll test
19:33:29 <Kharec> no problem.
19:33:57 <malo> malo: I am running the current RC on my main machine
19:34:08 <ennael> argh he is speaking to himself :)
19:34:20 <malo> that how the end start ...
19:34:25 <ennael> :)
19:34:28 <AL13N> :)
19:34:42 <ennael> malo: did you install it from isos?
19:35:05 <malo> ennael: yes, from kde LiveCD put on usb key
19:35:35 <malo> worked well, but my laptop is intel-based, so well-supported
19:35:41 <ennael> ok
19:35:49 <ennael> anything else on release process?
19:36:44 <boklm> not for me
19:36:47 <malo> how likely is it that we are going to release on time?
19:37:11 <ennael> well if we cannot move quickly on current bug list it will not be possible
19:38:19 <ennael> #topic review of release_critical bugs
19:38:27 <malo> ennael: ok :-)
19:39:20 <ennael> so we have mainly bugs on upgrade (scriptlet), broadcom support, live isos bug
19:40:19 <AL13N> i noticed there was an increase in release critical bugs
19:40:23 <AL13N> which is odd
19:40:39 * Ankh does not think it's odd given the number of packages being pushed
19:40:56 <ennael> well I think we will check all of them to see if all are really release critical
19:41:02 <ennael> malo: want to start on it ?
19:41:16 <malo> ennael: ok
19:41:26 <malo> ennael: any order?
19:41:39 <ennael> nope just shoot :)
19:41:43 <malo> let's do oldest first?
19:41:45 <malo> ok
19:42:07 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44
19:42:09 <[mbot> [ Bug 44 slow OS under VirtualBox on CPU w/o HW support for virt, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB) ]
19:43:04 <malo> no idea who Erwan is, but this is an old one, but no progress in 6 months
19:43:19 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618
19:43:21 <[mbot> [ Bug 618 Installer gives 755 permissions to user home directories ]
19:43:37 <malo> this one resurfaced recently
19:44:34 <malo> but I don't know if Thierry is actually working on it. No progress done.
19:44:50 <ennael> ok I will try to ping him on that one
19:45:16 <malo> ennael: is there a reason not to change the default permission?
19:45:46 <ennael> I'm a bit surprised on that one
19:45:59 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095
19:46:01 <[mbot> [ Bug 1095 i18n team should be notified on string changes in svn ]
19:46:01 <ennael> this is not something new and we never had any comment on this
19:46:32 <ennael> not release_critical
19:46:51 <malo> ennael: maybe because people are not caring, and people who care know how to change it
19:47:01 <ennael> boklm: do you think you can have a look on that one ?
19:47:30 <boklm> on bug 618 ?
19:47:44 <ennael> 1095
19:47:51 <malo> mga#1095 is not release critical, but it's really high on the TODO list for mga4 to fix the infrastructure for the i18n team.
19:47:54 <boklm> ah
19:47:55 <ennael> create a hook to send a mail to i18n team
19:48:03 * boklm can look
19:48:06 <ennael> thanks
19:48:15 <malo> ennael: can I downgrade that one?
19:48:33 <ennael> done :)
19:48:44 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3510
19:48:46 <[mbot> [ Bug 3510 Keyboard loosing language ]
19:49:15 <malo> this one is very annoying for some users who loose the keyboard setting at every boot
19:49:59 <ennael> still it can be fixed at any time
19:52:46 <sander85> for some of them there seems to be workaround.. and about others.. i'm not sure how to reproduce.. and i agree, it's not release critical.. annoying but has been there for quite some time..
19:53:29 <ennael> dicreasing then. I will keep a list of all these annoying bugs so that we can work on it as soon as possible
19:54:03 <ennael> oups malo disappeared :)
19:56:22 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5426
19:56:24 <[mbot> [ Bug 5426 Beta3 doesn't boot on ati graphics hardware ]
19:56:31 <ennael> we will ping anssi about that one
19:57:34 <Anssi> well atm I'm not sure what exactly the problem is (or are)
19:57:46 <ennael> ah :)
19:57:47 <Anssi> I've asked for info in the last comment, though
19:58:04 <ennael> ok let's wait for it then
19:58:49 <Anssi> this was two weeks ago, though
19:58:49 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5661
19:58:51 <[mbot> [ Bug 5661 Can not unlock /home on my crypted LVM to use it (need to write /etc/crypttab) ]
19:59:02 <ennael> that one is in progress as coling just commented it today
19:59:24 * coling is not sure it's the same issue tho'
19:59:45 <coling> It appears to be talking about unlocking an existing /home in the installer.
19:59:59 <coling> Although I have found other issues with exotic setups (which affected mga2 also)
20:01:19 <philippem> I tried to work on this one and found that writing in /etc/crypttab is a work around for crypted /home in LVM
20:01:37 <sander85> @5426 - i don't think it's release critical.. at first some people were unable to boot but now it seems there are just some power consumtion problems.. tho' the bug is way too long, maybe i missed something..
20:01:51 <ennael> ?
20:02:31 <malo> soorrryy
20:02:37 <ennael> :)
20:02:49 <ennael> philippem: can you add your comments in this bug?
20:02:55 <malo> my network is really shitty.
20:03:32 <sander85> ennael: my comment was about beta3 not booting.. that beta3 is beta3 of mga2.. i can't see why this bug is release critical
20:05:09 <malo> ennael: which bug are we at?
20:05:10 <sander85> last response from reporter is almost a year old now..
20:05:16 <ennael> malo: 5661
20:05:35 <sander85> malo: and before that there was 5426
20:05:41 <philippem> ennael: yes but thierry already changed the title of the bug to take care of this after I reported directly to him
20:05:45 <malo> ennael, sander85: thanks
20:07:02 <coling> philippem, for clarity this is about using an existing encrypted /home in the installer right?
20:08:01 <ennael> yep
20:08:25 <philippem> I created encrypted /home in a LVM during install, formating and writing all partition setup during install
20:08:53 <ennael> this is rather using an existing crypted one
20:09:33 <philippem> I can still doing more tests about this one if need
20:12:12 <malo> colin is looking at it as well
20:12:20 <malo> should we move on?
20:12:43 <ennael> ok
20:12:51 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6061
20:12:53 <[mbot> [ Bug 6061 mgaapplet-upgrade-helper removes nonfree and tainted repo (and so radeon-firmware) when upgrading to next Mageia version ]
20:13:25 <malo> Thierry is the man for that one
20:13:37 <ennael> ok I'll ping him
20:13:57 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6111
20:13:59 <[mbot> [ Bug 6111 BCM-4311 wireless interface don't work. ]
20:14:31 <malo> one of the broadcom bugs. Maybe we can review them all together later with Thomas.
20:14:50 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6675
20:14:52 <[mbot> [ Bug 6675 NetworkManager spawns a wpa_supplicant instead even if interface is unmanaged, conflicting with drakx-net tools ]
20:15:06 <malo> blino: ping
20:15:42 <malo> not around, but it'd be great if he could fix that.
20:15:45 <sander85> coling: can't mga tools use the same wpa_supplicant service?
20:16:09 <ennael> malo: just mailed him
20:16:15 <sander85> tho' i'm not sure how NM is checking it
20:16:35 <coling> sander85, probably. I've not looked at the details tho' :s
20:17:02 <malo> maybe drakxnet can suspend nm while updating the connection file
20:17:25 <sander85> that wouldn't help
20:17:29 <malo> anyway, let's move on: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7303
20:17:31 <[mbot> [ Bug 7303 Mga3 DVD Hardware Detection Tool fails with text about MENU or just reboots ]
20:18:23 <ennael> I close it David will reopen if ot's not ok
20:19:10 <malo> \o/
20:19:34 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7311
20:19:36 <[mbot> [ Bug 7311 lot of firmwares are missing ]
20:20:00 <ennael> that one will need lot of work. I don't think we will have time for it
20:20:13 <ennael> also many of them in the list are very old one
20:22:08 <tmb> not to mention it's a "buggy" list...
20:22:36 <ennael> yep
20:22:48 <tmb> many kernel modules lists several firmwares they can use, and then they use the one they find
20:22:50 <ennael> hi tmb
20:23:12 <tmb> hi
20:23:12 <ennael> decreasing that one
20:23:18 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7317
20:23:21 <[mbot> [ Bug 7317 GNOME Networkmanager by default but disagrees with MCC ]
20:24:17 <malo> blino again to have a look. MrsB: is it still valid for RC?
20:25:21 <malo> Meanwhile: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7521
20:25:23 <[mbot> [ Bug 7521 No X with last x11-driver-video-sis and x11-server-1.13 ]
20:26:08 <leuhmanu> nothing changed in the nm/drakx-net/wpa_supplicant since a long time
20:26:30 <malo> leuhmanu: yep, there are still too many issues ...
20:27:11 <sander85> @7521: rosa/mandriva have some patches to port siis for x11-server-1.13 but there was something else missing too
20:28:17 <sander85> quite a lot of those NM vs drakx-net problems are caused by multiple wpa_supplicant processes running at the same time
20:29:21 <sander85> not that much of a problems with KDE but GNOME requires NM..
20:29:50 * leuhmanu still don't understand all these stuff, but maybe I don't want...
20:30:10 <malo> for 7521, it seems workarounded by the NoAccel
20:30:46 <malo> marja suggested to close it.
20:31:27 <malo> First tracker of the night: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7557
20:31:28 <ennael> indeed
20:31:29 <[mbot> [ Bug 7557 [Tracker] networkmanager/ifcfg related bugs ]
20:31:40 <malo> ennael, can you fix 7521?
20:31:49 <malo> ennael, I mean close :-)
20:31:59 <ennael> :)
20:32:10 <tmb> yep, 7521 is not critical anymore as drakx adds NoAccel to the config, wo I guess we can close it (I was the one re-opening it for the one fix to test)
20:32:43 <leuhmanu> you ccan forget the bug 7557 I think ..
20:33:18 <ennael> ?
20:33:23 <sander85> Led43__Mag1: why?
20:33:29 <sander85> Led43__Mag1: sry..
20:33:33 <sander85> leuhmanu: why?
20:33:55 <malo> many are old
20:34:07 <leuhmanu> some interesting bugs are already as blockers
20:34:10 <leuhmanu> (iirc)
20:34:10 <malo> and the ones that leuhmanu checked are closed
20:34:54 <leuhmanu> (or someone can/want to check them)
20:35:10 <leuhmanu> and btw I'm sure the list is not complete
20:36:18 <ennael> leuhmanu: ok can you remove it from the list ?
20:36:39 <malo> ok. Next: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7676
20:36:41 <[mbot> [ Bug 7676 Gnome - Wifi can see networks but not connect ]
20:36:53 <malo> that one is also nm related
20:37:43 <malo> but we need to assign it to someone\
20:38:51 <sander85> it's the same double wpa_supplicant problem
20:39:35 <malo> sander85, can u mark it as dupplicate then?
20:41:10 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7676 we skip for now
20:41:12 <[mbot> [ Bug 7676 Gnome - Wifi can see networks but not connect ]
20:41:20 <malo> Next is: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7676
20:41:30 <sander85> really? :)
20:41:42 <malo> nope, we skip https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7828
20:41:44 <[mbot> [ Bug 7828 Broadcom BCM4312/43224 can not be turned on ]
20:41:52 <malo> and next is https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7992
20:41:54 <[mbot> [ Bug 7992 Live Installer progress bar starts 80% finished or missing completely in kde ]
20:41:55 <malo> :)
20:42:30 <malo> tmb: any progress?
20:44:28 <blino> malo: pong
20:45:00 <malo> blino: we are in meeting and reviewing release critical bugs.
20:45:02 <tmb> malo, nope, not for now
20:45:25 <malo> blino: there are several nm related bugs assigned to you :-)
20:45:36 <malo> tmb: do you know how to fix it?
20:46:05 <stuartm> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9675 *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 9317 ***
20:46:07 <[mbot> [ Bug 9675 Installer gets stuck in infinite loop trying to mount drive ]
20:46:08 <stuartm> nuh-uh
20:46:29 <stuartm> not remotely the same bug
20:46:49 <malo> stuartm: we are in meeting :-)
20:47:10 <blino> malo: about the wpa_supplicant instance spawned by NetworkManager even if the interface is not managed by NM, this is a NM bug that should be fixed in NM, there is a sort of race condition between the moment the interface appears and the moment NM parses the config file, the real solution is to fix NM, and it likely needs someone to spend a few hours in gdb for this
20:48:36 <stuartm> malo: apologies, the door wasn't locked
20:48:41 <malo> blino: you realise that that someone is you :-)
20:48:52 <malo> stuartm: no problem :-)
20:49:45 <blino> malo: about drakx-net disagreeing with NM by default, we need to decide for which interfaces NM is the default (probably ethernet and wireless, but what for ppp, xDSL, ISDN, cable, 3G, bluetooth?); and also we need to provide a convenient way for users to be able to enable back management by draxk-net, it may need some UI redesign (unless we decide to default to NM only for ethernet/wireless, which should have a bit less impact)
20:50:25 <blino> malo: on a side note, libstdc++5 has been imported a few days ago :)
20:50:43 <malo> blino: I saw, but too late for my imports ...
20:52:07 <tmb> malo: for 7992, the "starting at 80%" has a "workaround" suggested in c12, but no time so far to try and implement it... for the "missing completely in kde" I havent had time either to track down what fails
20:52:27 <malo> blino: anyway, it's late in the release to redesign anything. The questions are: (1) are there quick fixes/workaround for these bugs, so that mageians can use internet :-) (2) can you implement them?
20:54:04 <blino> boklm:
20:54:11 <blino> (oops)
20:54:35 <malo> blino: the current situation is quite bad and requires expert knowledge of drakx-net: can you urgently have a look and review the bugs assigned to you?
20:54:59 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8016
20:55:01 <[mbot> [ Bug 8016 [Tracker] Upgrade Mga2 > Mga3 ]
20:55:42 <blino> malo: there may be a quick fix for "drakx-net disagreeing with NM by default", but not sure if I can find much time to implement them, I could give pointers to someone willing to help on it
20:55:43 <malo> Second tracker of the night, many upgrade bugs mentioned.
20:56:18 <malo> sander85, I am volunteering you to work with blino on that
20:56:57 <malo> sander85 you will learn a lot in the process
20:57:22 <blino> haha :)
20:58:02 <malo> blino: otherwise I'll do it.
21:15:10 <sander85> blino: drakx-net should "learn" how to use wpa_supplicant.service ... that would help, probably
21:16:49 * sander85 thinks it's time to end the meeting :)
21:17:20 <malo> sorry network problems ...
21:18:42 <ennael> I'm on isos tests. Either we stop review now and finish it by mail or you can go on if still have alive people around :)
21:18:53 <malo> alive people?
21:20:28 <malo> ennael, I guess not many left ...
21:20:58 <ennael> looks so
21:21:10 <malo> anyway, count is now 41
21:21:32 <malo> but next meeting is after the RC release
21:23:34 <malo> we could continue this review tomorrow night ...
21:23:45 <malo> maybe meet earlier
21:23:58 <ennael> yep I can be around 1/2h sooner
21:24:25 <malo> 18:00 UTC is easier
21:24:36 <ennael> so as a side note pb with RC isos freezing at boot time is confirmed and seems to be because of vbox video driver
21:27:29 <ennael> ok ending meeting then. Thanks all for helping on bugs
21:27:33 <ennael> #endmeeting