19:09:55 <malo> #startmeeting 19:09:55 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Tue Apr 9 19:09:55 2013 UTC. The chair is malo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:09:55 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:10:05 <malo> Hello everyone, 19:10:10 <malo> mitya: Hi 19:10:26 <malo> we have a busy meeting tonight 19:10:34 <malo> let's get started 19:11:04 <malo> #topic status of broadcom / grub2 / boost 19:11:36 <malo> ok, these 3 are important things that are a bit unresolved for the upcoming mga3. 19:12:08 <malo> so we should start with tmb telling us about the broadcom situation 19:12:46 <malo> tmb: ? 19:14:12 <malo> tmb is busy, so let barjac tell us about the status of grub2 19:14:25 <tmb> well, to be honest ... it got left a bit on "backburner" as I have been sick, and when I got a little better I had to start with live images .... 19:14:47 <malo> I am too quick :-P 19:15:11 <tmb> I will try to review all the stuff this week for known problems and start mapping the drivers back 19:15:30 <malo> tmb: ok. Please enroll help for that. 19:15:50 <malo> tmb: I hope you are better 19:16:22 <malo> #action tmb will start looking at the broadcom situation again this week 19:16:28 <MrsB> \o/ 19:16:46 <tmb> malo: not really ... but that's for another debate... 19:16:48 <MrsB> We can maybe try and find a few broadcom people if you want to do a trial tmb 19:17:05 <malo> tmb: please tell us how we can help 19:17:33 <tmb> I'll post a message on dev about testing / confirming what works tonight 19:18:29 <malo> #action tmb will post an email on dev to explain the broadcom situation and get help 19:18:35 <malo> tmb: ok? 19:18:38 <tmb> yep 19:18:46 <malo> tmb: thanks 19:19:01 <malo> barjac: your turn on grub2 19:19:04 <barjac> From the package there are no outstanding bugs, but there are some LIVE installer issues that tv/tmb are hopefully working on ;) 19:19:24 <MrsB> you had that typed ready didn't you 19:20:03 <barjac> Some testing should really be done with efi but I have no h/w to do that 19:20:10 <MrsB> bug 9334 is for the live issues 19:20:11 <barjac> MrsB: ;) 19:20:44 <malo> barjac: could you also send an email to -dev and -qa explaining which tests would be more helpful? 19:20:59 <MrsB> I'm not sure there is much efi in QA either 19:21:13 <tmb> for grub2 and live images, they now carry the rpms in "local repos" on the live images, but we need to teach drakx installer to "fool" grub2 to not detect the live running system 19:21:40 <MrsB> tv's last update mentioned that 19:22:02 <tmb> MrsB: wich one ? 19:22:08 <malo> o configure urpmi media even if local media are configured, and only if 19:22:08 <malo> online media are not setup (for live) 19:22:26 <malo> I think this fixes another bug 19:22:30 <MrsB> drakxtools & drakx-installer-stage2. 19:22:34 <barjac> tmb: Simply re-running grub2-install after install fixes the problem in tests that I have done 19:23:07 <tmb> nah, that vas a fix by blino to add online medias upon reboot 19:23:30 <MrsB> ahh yeah, I remembered it wrong 19:23:46 <neoclust> doktor5000_: i started to package http://qt-project.org/wiki/QtDesktopComponents but i think i never uploaded it 19:24:08 <tmb> barjac: well, chrooting before installing grub2 also seems to work 19:24:39 <malo> #action barjac will synchronise with qa and tv/tmb about grub2, maybe sending a mail with tests that would be useful 19:25:17 <malo> barjac: anything else on that front? 19:25:38 <barjac> No - don't think so 19:25:48 <malo> ok, let's move on. 19:26:09 <malo> We need to reach a decision on the update to boost-1.53 19:27:07 <malo> barjac has been pushing for it, with many tests, in order to fix gnuradio 19:27:38 <malo> the sec team is also pushing for it, since we currently use boost-1.52, that no other distro uses 19:27:46 <MrsB> the tests seemed successful 19:27:50 <malo> so it's not going to be supported 19:28:07 <malo> Next Fedora is going to use 1.53 19:28:53 <malo> the downside is that it's close to release 19:29:28 <MrsB> in all fairness it will probably be tested better now than if it's updated after release 19:29:35 <malo> So, first: are there some strong objection about the update? 19:29:48 <malo> second: do we stage it to testing first? 19:30:14 <malo> it's a bit of a risk, but not updating is potentially costly in the long run 19:30:16 <barjac> Packages affected are here and now all build with 1.53 http://mtf.no-ip.co.uk/pub/linux/barjac/boost/boost.txt 19:30:47 <spturtle> directly to cauldron so we get one and a half tester instead of zero (approximates :) 19:31:27 <malo> ennael was suggesting to go to testing. david walser directly to cauldron 19:31:45 <malo> (for the people who are not here) 19:31:56 * tmb is reading changelog for boost-1.53 19:32:06 <barjac> spturtle: In testing - who would test? 19:32:44 <barjac> s/spturtle/malo/ 19:33:03 <malo> spturtle: that's a fair point. 19:33:15 <spturtle> (our famous maintainer 'nobody' would test it of course) 19:33:25 <malo> how hard would it be to revert in cauldron if we found an outstanding bug? 19:34:05 <malo> spturtle: nobody has too much packages, no time to tesst 19:34:20 <malo> neoclust: an opinion? 19:34:41 <spturtle> for a revert boost would need an epoch increase, depending packages rebuilt, dunno about gnuradio 19:35:37 <malo> tmb: an opinion? 19:36:05 <barjac> spturtle: : gnuradio would probably be nuked until boost update 19:37:46 <barjac> boost-1.52 was AFAICT not a very good release and other distros have either stuck with earlier versions or gone to 1.53 19:38:13 <tmb> reading the changelog and looking at the affected packages I'd say we should go for it 19:38:25 <malo> tmb: thanks 19:38:42 <malo> overall, I think ennael and AL13N were against. 19:39:31 <barjac> To quote Luigi: looks like the next openmdv release (if it happens :o) and the next Fedora will probably both have 1.53 19:39:31 <MrsB> I would vote to go for it, purely because it will be better tested at this stage thean if it is updated after release 19:39:57 * mitya can't wait till decision is made, builds Boost 1.53 locally to begin testing 19:40:14 <malo> Let's say that we agree that we push it to cauldron and test well. 19:40:18 <tmb> and straight to /release to get a broad test as soon as possible 19:40:30 <malo> mitya: you can use barjac packages 19:40:44 <malo> barjac: everything is in svn? 19:41:04 <barjac> malo: boost is yes 19:41:20 <malo> barjac: the patched other packages as well? 19:41:22 <Kharec> hi all 19:41:27 <barjac> malo: yes 19:41:29 <malo> Kharec: hey 19:41:47 <barjac> malo: except libyui that mitya has in hand 19:42:06 <mitya> malo: yep, I'm in now in the process of mgarepo co boost 19:42:21 <MrsB> Kharec: o/ 19:42:31 <malo> barjac: can you send an mail to -dev requesting the freeze push? including the list of packages to be rebuilt and in which order (for tmb)? 19:43:11 <malo> #action we are going to upgrade to boost-1.53 19:43:46 <neoclust> malo: barjac : fedora uses boost 1.53 and seems their kde is OK 19:44:01 <barjac> malo: Freeze push request is there - rebuild order only affects gnuradio and kde 19:44:58 <malo> barjac: right, but an exhaustive list of packages would be nice in an email, to get more attention 19:45:14 <barjac> malo: OK 19:45:37 <malo> tmb: no problem pushing that? 19:46:25 <malo> #action barjac is going to email -dev the list of affected packages to help testing 19:46:29 <tmb> nope 19:46:46 <malo> Nothing more on boost? 19:46:52 <malo> Let's move on 19:47:15 * mitya suddenly discovered that he has got a full Boost 1.50 set of libraries, and they can't be uninstalled because libcmis0.2_2-0.2.3-3.mga3.i586 requires them 19:47:36 <neoclust> malo: nothing more for me 19:47:45 <malo> mitya: see with barjac :-) 19:47:56 <malo> #topic (1) Testing organisation 19:48:21 <barjac> mitya: yes libcmis is in the list ;) 19:48:27 <malo> This is now release freeze. 19:48:54 <malo> Which means that packagers should stop being busy updating to the latest version 19:49:06 <malo> which means that time is now to fix bugs 19:49:59 <malo> I've heard that from now on, there will be pre-isos almost every week 19:50:16 * malo is winking at MrsB and tmb 19:50:27 <malo> so, we need to help 19:50:31 * MrsB hopes not 19:51:20 <MrsB> Can I give a link to a big list of bugs? 19:51:29 <malo> MrsB: yes! 19:51:32 <MrsB> http://tinyurl.com/bszn9hf 19:51:34 <[mbot> [ Bug List ] 19:51:56 <Kharec> I'm trying to look at mediawiki package right now, as Luigi12 told me. 19:52:16 <malo> Kharec: great, mediawiki is quite critical on the list 19:52:33 <Kharec> malo: I'm on it :) 19:53:24 <Kharec> Luigi12 and I hope we can have mediawiki 1.20 in mga3 19:53:30 <malo> So it would be great if each of us looks at these bugs and try to fix many 19:54:25 <malo> #info http://tinyurl.com/bszn9hf is a list of bugs to consider 19:54:27 <[mbot> [ Bug List ] 19:54:56 <malo> #action every packager should look at bugzilla and fix as many bugs as they can 19:55:18 <malo> That's the first bit 19:55:22 <MrsB> \o/ 19:55:43 <doktor5000_> malo: maybe send a mail to all packagers with a link to MrsB's list ? 19:55:43 <malo> Also I think that we should have a collective look at bits of the distro. 19:56:09 <malo> #action doktor5000 is going to mail -dev with MrsB list of bugs. 19:56:22 * doktor5000_ hides and curses 19:56:27 <malo> hehe 19:56:34 <Kharec> malo: great idea for packagers looking at the bugs and fix as many as they can. 19:56:37 <Kharec> :) 19:57:12 <malo> I also think that we should start having packagers look at packages from their SIG 19:57:24 <malo> (I know, the SIG don't exist yet) 19:58:12 <malo> so it would be great if some people would be in charge of testing Games, some on testing DE, some for Science softs, some for Servers. 19:58:54 <malo> With overlaps of people of courser 19:59:30 <MrsB> testing/fixing 19:59:31 <malo> We could have days of testing as well. In order for many packagers to test the same things in liaison with QA 19:59:37 <malo> MrsB: true :-) 20:00:00 <malo> MrsB: the first step in fixing many bugs is to reproduce them 20:00:12 <malo> Any other idea? 20:00:33 <malo> How can we fix more bugs during the next weeks? 20:00:45 <doktor5000_> malo: mail's out! 20:01:43 <Kharec> malo: maybe packagers can warn about which package they're trying to fix on qa mail discuss 20:01:50 <Kharec> like "Hey, I'm on ...." 20:02:05 <Kharec> No stupid idea... /me zip his mouth 20:02:43 <malo> :-) 20:02:54 <Kharec> :) 20:03:16 <doktor5000_> malo: add WORKSASDESIGNED and FEATURENOTABUG status fields to bugzilla and use those extensively instead of WONTFIX? 20:03:17 <tmb> Kharec: no that is a good thing... add a comment on the bug you are working on to not duplicate work 20:03:29 * doktor5000_ runs again 20:03:51 <Kharec> tmb: yep 20:04:14 <malo> doktor5000_: can you follow up on that list? 20:04:39 <malo> doktor5000_: making sure it decreases by pinging people and adding comments 20:05:40 <doktor5000_> malo: that list of bugs? nope sorry, short on time, i can't help track that list :/ but i'll try to take a look at some of those 20:05:41 <malo> #action all of the packagers energy should now be on making Mageia as stable as possible. 20:06:44 <Kharec> great \o/ 20:06:47 <malo> we will talk about testing and bug hunting again next week anyway. It would be great if by next week there are less than 100 bugs in MrsB's list. 20:07:04 <malo> Let's move on 20:07:17 <MrsB> thanks :) 20:07:22 <malo> #topic 20:07:28 <malo> #undo 20:07:28 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x844008c> 20:07:37 <malo> #topic (2) Release Notes 20:08:10 <malo> As the release approaches, we need to finalise the release notes. 20:08:40 <malo> #info The release notes are at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_Release_Notes 20:09:15 <malo> Every packager should add the major changes that affected the packages he/she touched. 20:10:26 <malo> Remember that this page is visited by every blogger/reviewer of the distro (not counting users of course). So it needs to be pretty neat and complete. 20:10:47 <malo> #action Every packager should add the major changes that affected the packages he/she touched to the release notes. 20:11:21 <malo> Ok? 20:11:26 <malo> No objection? 20:11:27 <MrsB> It's also displayed in the installer 20:11:27 <mitya> malo: how do I know if my changes are significant enough to be included? 20:11:43 <malo> mitya: add them anyway :-) 20:12:19 <malo> mitya: like new major version, new packages, new relevant feature 20:12:23 <mitya> what's if (significant) changes have been made to packages not even mentioned in Release Notes yet? ex., Dovecot, Zabbix, TeXLive, NVIDIA CUDA Toolkit 20:12:28 <malo> mitya: don't put bug fixes 20:12:30 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes a link to mageia 2 release notes, if it helps 20:13:30 <malo> mitya: think about the reader: would he be interested in the new version or not? 20:13:58 <malo> I guess a new lib version is not so important, but a new major for a widely used application is useful 20:14:18 <malo> mitya: it's better to put more information than less. 20:14:49 <malo> MrsB: thanks 20:15:01 <mitya> am I free to introduce sections like "Scientific / computational software", "Publishing" etc.? 20:15:30 <MrsB> Whatever you think will be of interest to somebody looking at Mageia 20:15:38 <MrsB> it's our chance to sell it 20:15:39 <malo> mitya: yes 20:16:38 <mitya> MrsB: sell it? how can I get my share? :-D 20:16:53 <MrsB> you can have a full half of nothing :) 20:17:34 <MrsB> If there is something you think people will be ineterested to know about Mageia 3 that should go in 20:17:49 <mitya> yup, got it 20:20:28 <malo> Ok Let's move on 20:20:47 <malo> #topic (3) Review of release critical bugs 20:20:53 <malo> Big thing :-)( 20:23:22 <malo> https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=P1 20:24:06 <MrsB> ouch 20:26:00 <malo> MrsB: yep, 55 of them 20:26:37 <malo> So, these are very important 20:27:09 <malo> So if you have one of these assigned to you, this is your priority 20:27:49 <malo> If you don't have any assigned to you, please pick one anyway, try to reproduce, find a solution 20:28:23 <tmb> well there is 8 trackers, and some broadcom ones 20:28:40 <malo> Many of these are very technical, but several are supposed to be fixed and are only waiting for a tester with the last beta 20:29:25 <malo> tmb: yep, you are related to many of these 20:30:42 <tmb> I just closed one as fixed :) 20:31:01 <malo> tmb: nice 20:31:04 <MrsB> \o/ 20:31:26 <malo> #info there are still 54 Release-Critical bugs 20:31:52 <malo> #action These bugs should get the highest priority, and everyone should help. 20:33:05 <malo> coling is not here, nor tv, nor blino, so I don't think there is much benefit at looking at each bug individually 20:33:39 <malo> Solbu: ping? 20:34:15 <Solbu> Pong! 20:34:17 <malo> spturtle, guillomovitch: ping 20:34:48 <malo> Solbu: on top of that list of RC bugs, you were in charge of the non-installable packages. What is the situation? 20:34:57 <malo> http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html 20:34:58 <[mbot> [ dependencies global report ] 20:35:43 <Solbu> Ok.. 20:35:58 <Solbu> It seems like most of them might be dropped before release. 20:36:16 <Solbu> Sorry, not really prepared. Just got home. :-)0 20:36:55 <malo> Solbu: ok. But you did a good job: the list is quite reduced now, and some are just waiting to be removed/updated, right? 20:37:06 <Solbu> Openstack is being worked on, but he didn't have timne untiull the freezxe. 20:37:14 <Solbu> Might be ready in a week. 20:37:33 <Solbu> Other than that, I don't know if anyone is working on the rest. 20:37:41 <Solbu> Yes. 20:38:31 <malo> ok 20:38:49 <tmb> I think the avr stuff will be fixed, openstack has a push request, I will take on the x11 ones 20:39:03 <malo> Solbu: can you follow up on that? 20:39:31 <Solbu> malo: I don't see why not. :-)= 20:39:44 <malo> Anyway, our focus is on the release critical ones 20:40:14 <malo> let's make it under 50 for next week, under 40 when we omit the few tracker ones. 20:40:27 <malo> It is a reasonable goal 20:40:30 <malo> Agreed? 20:41:11 <tmb> well we can agree :) but we still cant force anyone to fix or test ... :) 20:41:42 <malo> tmb: we cannot :-), but we can motivate ourselves, and help you! 20:43:37 <malo> #action the goal is to have under 50 release critical bugs for next week (under 40 when we do not count trackers) 20:46:11 <malo> anything else on that count? 20:46:32 <tmb> nope 20:46:53 <mitya> is Olav still with us? I've found a solution for one of the bugs assigned to him 20:47:07 <mitya> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7819 20:47:09 <[mbot> [ Bug 7819 Mga3 - A2 : Can't open calendar on Gnome 3 ] 20:47:23 <mitya> yep I know that's not critical, but it was on the first list 20:47:46 <malo> mitya: please email him 20:47:58 <mitya> ok 20:48:14 <mitya> or maybe it would be even faster to fix it myself :) 20:48:22 <malo> mitya: then go ahead :-) 20:48:24 <tmb> well, afaik he's taken a timeout, so go ahead and fix it 20:48:39 <neoclust> mitya: yes i would say 'go go go' 20:48:44 <ryoshu> proyvind: ping 20:48:51 <malo> #topic Anything else? 20:49:01 <ryoshu> ouch 20:49:11 <malo> ryoshu: hello :-) 20:49:44 <tmb> nothing else from me... 20:49:55 <malo> If there is anything else to discuss, let's close this meeting and work hard on fixing bugs. 20:50:41 <MrsB> bedtime :) 20:50:46 <malo> I actually mean the opposite 20:50:50 <malo> forgot the negation 20:51:11 <malo> All right, thanks everyone!! 20:51:15 <malo> #stopmeeting 20:51:22 <malo> #closemeeting 20:51:26 <MrsB> end 20:51:29 <malo> #endmeeting