19:18:04 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:18:04 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue Sep 25 19:18:04 2012 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:18:04 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:18:17 <ennael> is malo around ? 19:19:25 <rindolf> ennael: hi all. 19:19:40 <rindolf> Oh, I thought the meeting was not going to start until 23:00 here. 19:19:54 <rindolf> Due to day change, but I got the offset mixed up. 19:20:20 <AL13N> "day" change? 19:20:32 <ennael> so 19:20:55 <ennael> we have alpha2, features, mentoring 19:21:14 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 alpha 2 19:22:10 <rindolf> AL13N: sorry, I mean timezone DST (Day Savings Time) stuff 19:22:18 <ennael> so it's planned for 2012-10-04 19:22:24 <ennael> next week 19:22:38 <ennael> isos build should start before end of this week 19:22:58 <rindolf> Does the /usrmove work fine on a net upgrade already? 19:23:10 <ennael> no news on that one 19:23:12 <ovitters> fortunately I don't expect any major GNOME updates after today/max tmr 19:23:25 <ennael> ovitters: ok good to know indeed 19:23:30 <Luigi12_work> so I guess the mass rebuild has been put off until after mga3 19:23:59 <ennael> Luigi12_work: we had massive updates these last days so was hard to do it 19:24:09 <ovitters> new alpha will have almost all of 3.6.0 btw (Epiphany / webkit is still a problem) 19:24:09 <coling> rindolf, I've been super busy so not integrated usrmove into installer yet sadly... 19:24:15 <rindolf> coling: OK. 19:24:24 <rindolf> coling: I'm talking about urpmi upgrade. 19:24:57 <rindolf> coling: well, I hope you become less busy sooner (also for your own sake). 19:25:03 <coling> rindolf, ahh, that's a different story. it'll need a new package to be backported to mga2 to act as a kind of helper, installer it and reboot into a new menu option. 19:25:18 <coling> rindolf, beginning to settle down a bit (colleague had a baby!) 19:25:21 <ennael> coling: can we expect it for alpha 3 ? 19:25:22 <Luigi12_work> hopefully that guy on #mageia will stop flaming coling too, that would help 19:25:28 <rindolf> coling: mazal tov. 19:25:28 <coling> ennael, I'll make sure of that yes. 19:25:34 <ennael> ok 19:25:55 <rindolf> coling: I mean - send him my regards. 19:25:59 <AL13N> Luigi12_work: :) 19:26:04 <rindolf> Or her. 19:26:09 <ovitters> Luigi12_work: nick? I don't like unfriendliness 19:26:10 <ennael> please 19:26:16 <Luigi12_work> ovitters: it was mchou 19:26:33 <coling> rindolf, :) 19:26:34 <ennael> neoclust: anything on KDE side for alpha 2 ? 19:26:36 <coling> (him) 19:26:49 * coling shudders at the name mchou 19:26:59 <Luigi12_work> sorry to bring it up 19:27:00 <neoclust> ennael: no 19:27:06 <ennael> ok 19:27:25 <ennael> would be nice to stop big updates the very last days before release 19:27:30 <coling> Luigi12_work, I'm only kidding, don't worry. 19:27:39 <ennael> from monday here 19:28:13 <mchou> perhaps I haven't made clear my reasons for being upset 19:28:24 <Luigi12_work> mchou: save it for after the meeting please 19:28:30 <mchou> no 19:28:39 <mchou> I'm going to make it very clear 19:28:54 <leuhmanu> please don't start 19:29:28 <mchou> the timeline is fuzzy in my head 19:29:37 <ennael> please guys 19:29:40 <ennael> meeting in progress 19:30:17 <mchou> ennael: luigi12 thinks I'm "flaming" 19:30:30 <ennael> mchou: I don't care for now we are handling a meeting 19:30:35 <ennael> so 19:30:37 <anaselli> neoclust: have you update digikam? 19:30:46 <mchou> ennael: he's perhaps unclear why I'm so upset 19:30:47 <neoclust> anaselli: no, i missed time :( 19:30:51 <ennael> we should have live isos also for this alpha 2 19:31:15 <anaselli> ok let's talk about it after neoclust to see if it has to be included 19:31:18 <ovitters> the whole iso redesign is alpha 3? 19:31:24 <ennael> ovitters: yep 19:31:32 <ennael> ovitters: proposals will end tomorrow 19:31:36 <neoclust> anaselli: it can wait after, in 2 weeks beta2 is out 19:31:40 <neoclust> for digikam 3 19:31:45 <Luigi12_work> also the filesystem issue for liveCDs was solved 19:31:53 <AL13N> \o/ 19:32:01 <ennael> Luigi12_work: file system was changed 19:32:13 <Luigi12_work> yep, unionfs->overlayfs IIRC 19:32:20 <mchou> the timeline is fuzzy in my head. 19:32:25 <neoclust> mchou: if this haven't have to be discussed on the meeting, let speak if this after 19:32:33 <neoclust> mchou: timeline ? 19:32:33 <ennael> ok 19:32:42 <ennael> anything else we should expect for alpha 2 ? 19:32:53 <mchou> but several months ago coling proposed dropping support for startx 19:33:02 <ennael> mchou: please stop now 19:33:12 <mchou> at the time the reasons weren't clear to me 19:33:13 <ennael> anything else we should expect for alpha 2 ? 19:33:20 <AL13N> since mariadb is late with the coming 10.X release... not sure if i will be able to include it for mga3 19:33:39 <ennael> will check with tmb about kernel 19:33:45 <mchou> It has since become abundantly clear to me why this is the case 19:34:03 <ennael> so QA team should get first isos friday I think 19:34:08 <ennael> for very first tests 19:34:08 <AL13N> if mariadb10.X is out after freeze, i won't proceed with it 19:34:13 <mchou> yesterday coling stated supporting startx "is a pain in th e ass" 19:34:17 <mchou> yesterday coling stated supporting startx "is a pain in the ass" 19:34:29 <ennael> somebody to kick mchou please ? 19:34:44 <AL13N> ennael: afaik you're on the access list for this channel 19:34:46 <mchou> that's just euphemismis for it''s too difficult to shoehorn int systemd* 19:34:55 <ennael> thanks 19:35:12 <ennael> anything else to add on coming alpha ? 19:35:19 <Luigi12_work> sorry about that, wouldn't have mentioned it if I knew they were in the channel 19:35:39 <AL13N> not for me 19:35:42 * coling already has him in his ignore list so is blissfully ignorant to what was said. 19:35:49 <ennael> ok 19:35:55 <Luigi12_work> some people have complained of a fonts issue recently 19:36:05 <ennael> any bug report on this ? 19:36:07 <ovitters> ah.. yeah, fonts seem to have changed 19:36:11 <ovitters> thought it was a GNOME thing 19:36:23 <AL13N> alot of people don't like these defaults it seems 19:36:26 <Luigi12_work> apprently it only affects gtk apps, not sure if a bug was filed 19:36:45 <ennael> Luigi12_work: can I ask you to mail -dev about this? 19:36:52 <Luigi12_work> ennael: I believe someone already has 19:36:55 <ennael> ah 19:36:59 <Luigi12_work> I don't run Cauldron, so I only know what I've heard 19:37:21 <barjac> It affects Thunderbird in kde 19:37:25 <Luigi12_work> that's the only issue besides usrmove upgrading that I've heard of that should be affecting the alphas 19:37:33 <ennael> indeed "New fonts?" 19:37:35 <anaselli> 23/9 Subject: new fonts? 19:37:40 <anaselli> :) 19:38:11 <ennael> https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-September/018863.html 19:38:56 <ennael> looks like people do not agree 19:39:08 <ovitters> I'm fine with it 19:39:25 <ovitters> aliasing seems different though, different than before 19:39:31 <AL13N> ovitters: are people that are fine with the change, fine with both ways? or prefer the new? 19:39:46 <ovitters> AL13N: fine with both 19:40:00 <anaselli> neoclust: [Kde-cvs-announce] [REMINDER] 4.9.2 Tagging this Thursday 19:40:06 <AL13N> if all is fine with both and some only fine with old, perhaps old would be better 19:40:19 <Luigi12_work> was it determined what caused the change? 19:40:46 <ovitters> fonts-ttf-liberation sets itself as default for sans, etc 19:41:15 <ovitters> apparently a sync with RH/Fedora 19:41:16 <neoclust> anaselli: see with mikala for this ;) 19:41:18 <AL13N> apparently removing some config symlinks seemed to "fix" it 19:41:42 <barjac> here thunderbird appears to be using "times" 19:41:49 * coling has not updated for a while, but I wonder if this font change will fix a long standing font issue I have on some webpages... (relating to sans serif font handling) 19:41:56 <Luigi12_work> :maint fonts-ttf-liberation 19:41:58 <Sophie> Luigi12_work: For Mageia (fonts-ttf-liberation): dmorgan 19:42:04 <ovitters> tv changed it btw 19:42:19 <AL13N> ovitters: you mean revert to old? 19:42:44 <ovitters> AL13N: no, added the conf file from RH/Fedora which resulted in the switch 19:43:09 <Luigi12_work> strange tv hasn't commented on the thread 19:43:29 <coling> strange or suspicious :p 19:43:35 <ennael> :) 19:43:42 <ennael> so can we sum up thi? 19:43:57 <rindolf> Well, my fonts improved a little after I did some KDE-fu that someone on #mageia suggested. 19:44:00 <Luigi12_work> well supposedly nobody uses Rawhide anymore so maybe Fedora users havne't seen the change to complain about it yet :o) 19:44:02 <rindolf> I still preferred the old fonts. 19:45:11 <Luigi12_work> anyway it'd be good if this could be resolved one way or another before the next alpha, as a lot of people have talked about it on IRC too 19:45:31 <Luigi12_work> either revert or someone put their foot down and say we're sticking with it 19:45:47 <ennael> Luigi12_work: can you please ping on -dev on the proper thread about that topic ? 19:46:00 <Luigi12_work> ok 19:46:05 <ennael> thanks 19:46:36 <ennael> anything else ? 19:47:26 <ennael> ok 19:47:34 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 features 19:47:43 <ennael> it's a shame malo is not around 19:48:43 <ennael> ok we need to review Mageia 3 features 19:48:46 <ennael> as a reminder 19:49:18 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review 19:49:47 <anaselli> ennael: mcc2 is in wip 19:49:53 <ennael> ? 19:49:59 <anaselli> but i work in progress 19:50:05 <anaselli> ui abstraction 19:50:06 <ennael> oh ok 19:50:17 <leuhmanu> port to qt ? 19:50:17 <ennael> any preview available ? 19:50:24 <leuhmanu> or webkit 3 ? 19:50:31 <anaselli> but i (well we reaaly) dont think it will be ready for mga2 19:50:33 <anaselli> mga3 19:50:46 <ennael> ok 19:51:01 <anaselli> anyway tuxa will present it and we will package it for internal testing etc 19:51:02 <pasmatt> leuhmanu: libyui 19:51:23 <anaselli> yes libyui based 19:51:24 <ennael> anaselli: ok 19:51:48 <ennael> about this list of features could you guys all have a look 19:51:54 <ennael> especially if you are part of it 19:52:00 <ennael> to update the wiki page 19:52:24 <ennael> if you cannot do it yourself please use -dev ML to ask for contribution 19:54:25 <barjac> grub2 - the package is OK and I use 100% of time, but developers are needed to integrate it. 19:54:54 <ennael> barjac: so please mail -dev about this 19:54:58 <Luigi12_work> someone mailed me a spec file for chrony, but I haven't had time to look at it yet 19:55:16 <leuhmanu> iirc rosa or mdv started the integration for grub2 19:55:25 <ennael> barjac, Luigi12_work : can you please add a note about all this on wiki page ? 19:55:47 <Luigi12_work> yes I heard ROSA has done most of the work already and mdv plans to sync it from them soonish 19:56:02 <Luigi12_work> ennael: a note about what on which wiki page? 19:56:38 <Luigi12_work> mdv also plans to switch to chrony but has not yet commenced this work 19:56:52 <ennael> Luigi12_work: to give a status 19:57:02 <Luigi12_work> ennael: ahh yes 19:57:06 <ennael> so that we can follow :) 19:57:52 <ennael> I will mail -dev to ask other guys to do the same 19:58:13 <Luigi12_work> ennael: I sent the mail to -dev about the fonts 19:58:19 <ennael> yep just saw it 19:58:44 <ennael> coling: something to add on features ? 19:59:17 <coling> ennael, nothing specific. As mentioned earlier, I've been pretty busy of late so not had much time to do much on the features I planned. 19:59:34 <coling> ennael, but will hopefully enter "productive mode" soon ish (especially as winter is coming!) 19:59:54 <ennael> :) 19:59:56 <ennael> ok 20:01:07 <ennael> anything else to add ? 20:01:31 <coling> Not from me. 20:01:41 <ennael> ok 20:01:44 <anaselli> from me neither 20:03:08 <ennael> ok 20:03:18 <ennael> #topic reorganize mentoring 20:03:41 <ennael> as Mageia is growing it's really important now to be able to increase packagers team 20:04:11 <ennael> so I'm cleaning at the moment the mentoring wiki page 20:04:52 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Mentor 20:05:17 <ennael> I'm mailing all apprentice to check they are still interested in 20:06:21 <ennael> so if you have any information please ping me 20:06:34 <ennael> if you look for a mentor or if you want to mentor, same thing 20:07:16 <anaselli> ennael: i know you contacted mine :) 20:07:27 <ennael> :) 20:07:42 <ennael> it's quite a mess at the moment so we need at least to be clear on current one 20:08:53 <ennael> any other topic pending ? 20:09:48 <Luigi12_work> packagers please help with security updates :o) 20:10:13 <anaselli> Luigi12_work: haven't mandriva helped yet there? 20:10:20 <ennael> #topic Pending updates 20:10:24 <Luigi12_work> anaselli: not really 20:10:35 <ennael> ok I will ping them on my side 20:10:40 <anaselli> hmm i read it that somewhere :) 20:10:51 <Luigi12_work> I think they'll help more in mga3 since they'll actually have a product based on it 20:10:57 <ennael> Luigi12_work: can you please mail a list of pending one or the url for it? 20:11:03 <leuhmanu> btw there is at least two svn account request https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp%3Aaccoun 20:11:05 <Luigi12_work> ennael: yes I'll send a new mail 20:11:13 <ennael> Luigi12_work: nope it will be based on Mageia 2 20:11:17 <ennael> so it should have started 20:11:28 <Luigi12_work> oh, strange 20:11:30 <ennael> I will speak with Oden about this 20:11:34 <anaselli> so i'd expect help at least in mga2 :) 20:11:39 <Luigi12_work> he's been doing work in Cauldron 20:11:46 <ennael> yep 20:11:49 <ennael> let me see 20:12:10 <ennael> Luigi12_work: how many updates pending ? 20:12:47 <Luigi12_work> ennael: I have around 30 packages on the list that need help currently 20:13:20 <anaselli> neoclust: it's not a security update but i need help in fixing digikam bug in mga2... 20:13:45 <anaselli> unfortunately i have very little time in this moment :/ 20:13:56 <ennael> Luigi12_work: any url that lists all these ? 20:14:16 <Luigi12_work> ennael: the last mail I sent about it has most of them, I can send a new mail with the current list 20:14:19 <leuhmanu> https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp:secu+-kw:vali+-@qa-b (quick one) 20:14:25 <Luigi12_work> last mail was early september 20:14:33 <Luigi12_work> leuhmanu: no that's not it 20:14:57 <neoclust> anaselli: which bug ? 20:15:03 <leuhmanu> +@bugsquad ? 20:15:21 <Luigi12_work> leuhmanu: oh sorry I misinterpreted, that actually has most of them 20:15:38 <anaselli> neoclust: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7015 20:16:01 <ennael> #action ask contribution on pending updates https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp:secu+-kw:vali+-@qa-b 20:16:12 <anaselli> neoclust: but mikala wanted to update digikam to 2.9 las August 20:16:15 <anaselli> last 20:16:23 <ennael> ok anything else ? 20:16:28 <anaselli> when i was on holidays 20:16:46 <anaselli> ennael: no from me. 20:17:47 <ennael> ok then looks like we can close this meeting 20:17:52 <ennael> thanks for attending 20:17:54 * Luigi12_work confirms leuhmanu 20:17:57 <Luigi12_work> 's list has them all 20:18:03 <anaselli> thanks ennael 20:18:05 <ennael> #endmeeting