19:06:57 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:06:57 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Wed Jun 13 19:06:57 2012 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:06:57 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:06:58 <erzulie> [ MeetBot - Debian Wiki ] 19:07:29 <ennael> hi all 19:07:35 <MrsB> hi 19:07:39 <AL13N> yo 19:07:58 <ennael> #topic Features proposal (Mageia 3 specs) 19:08:18 <ennael> New feature proposals are accepted until 2012-06-18. After 2012-06-18 a mail is sent to the mageia-dev mailing list with a preliminary list of accepted and rejected features. 19:09:14 <ennael> for french people it's nice date :) 19:09:15 <ennael> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_of_June_18 19:09:16 <erzulie> [ Appeal of 18 June - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] 19:09:37 <ennael> anyway for those who still not have fill the wiki you have some days left for this 19:10:20 <ennael> we already have a nice list of features 19:10:36 <AL13N> i'm guessing if there's not enough people who join these features, there's no chance of it being accepted? 19:10:36 <ennael> still we need some more people to work on it 19:10:48 <ennael> I will send a mail after this meeting 19:10:58 <ennael> and a list of features without anybody inside 19:11:03 <sebsebseb> Ok so I got untill then to propose, Mate, and Cinnamon, and even Unity, yes I think it's important that Mageia provides at least Mate and Cinnamon, if it's going to have any chance at gaining many Desktop Linux users. Hope someone will maintain them though. 19:11:21 <ennael> this was already discussed 19:11:29 <AL13N> is there some features who are not considered features? 19:11:37 <AL13N> or is what was proposed sufficient? 19:12:21 <ennael> for now we will just underline missing resources 19:12:46 <AL13N> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:ProposedFeatureMageia3 19:12:48 <erzulie> [ Category:ProposedFeatureMageia3 - Mageia wiki ] 19:13:18 <AL13N> ok, that about sums it up? 19:13:54 <anaselli> ennael: we could add a field, something like candidate to join the team 19:13:56 <ennael> #action ennael will send an email to call for people on features 19:14:22 <anaselli> so maybe someone who does not want to get the ownership 19:14:22 <sebsebseb> an email to get people to propose features? 19:14:32 <anaselli> but wants to work on it... may sign it 19:15:12 <ennael> well resources is the right field I guess 19:15:20 <AL13N> ennael: perhaps in the email, you could list the needed resources? like installer maintainer (feature A, B & C) 19:15:34 * anaselli should missed that then :/ 19:16:02 <ennael> as an example 19:16:02 <anaselli> or better i misunderstood it 19:16:03 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Accessibility#Resources 19:16:04 <erzulie> [ Feature:Accessibility - Mageia wiki ] 19:16:31 <ennael> but I will add this in mail asking people interested to register in this field 19:16:43 <AL13N> ok 19:16:52 <anaselli> yep i thought it was who were needed... 19:16:57 <ennael> :) 19:17:23 <ennael> boklm worked on a kind of policy to explain how features will be chosen 19:17:51 <ennael> it's not very complicated and based on quite logical reasons :) 19:17:59 <ennael> will be published tomorrow 19:18:03 <AL13N> nice 19:18:35 <AL13N> if they are not chosen, they can still be worked on partially and presented for mageia 4 ? 19:18:41 <dmorgan> ennael: logical reasons ? like lottery ? :) 19:18:47 <ennael> even for Mageia 3 19:18:47 <dmorgan> AL13N: of course 19:19:14 <ennael> but if it's really against policies or global goals of Mageia we will not allow it 19:19:26 <AL13N> ok, that's reasonable 19:19:35 <ennael> for example no need to post a feature against rpm5 19:19:37 <ennael> :) 19:19:38 <sebsebseb> What are the global goals of Mageia? 19:19:41 <AL13N> :-) 19:19:42 <dmorgan> ennael: :) 19:19:52 <AL13N> sebsebseb: maybe she means the values 19:19:56 * Luigi12_work waits for someont to propose distepoch 19:19:59 <ennael> yep 19:20:04 <anaselli> breaking all sebsebseb :D 19:20:27 <ennael> proposing all graphical environments on earth 19:20:33 <ennael> it's just not maintainable 19:20:48 <sebsebseb> ennael: true 19:20:50 <ennael> so anything else to add on feature? 19:21:02 <AL13N> it would be nice to get the sevearl installer features though 19:21:04 <sebsebseb> ,but Cinnamon and Mate are getting quite pouplar in the DEsktop Linux world 19:21:04 <[mbot> Please... 19:21:09 <sebsebseb> so they are good for Mageia to have I think 19:21:13 <AL13N> lol 19:21:16 <AL13N> mbot again 19:21:33 <ennael> sebsebseb: we can hardly maintain current environment... 19:21:37 <ennael> anyway 19:21:42 <ennael> anything else ? 19:21:45 <AL13N> not for me 19:21:56 <sebsebseb> yes I know there are issues maintaning Gnome and KDE, but hope they will get at least thinked about properly, if I do propose :d 19:22:03 <MrsB> do you need any input from QA on those? 19:22:11 <ennael> ah 19:22:13 <ennael> MrsB ! 19:22:19 * MrsB present 19:22:21 <AL13N> heh 19:22:24 <ennael> MrsB has joined QA team as leader 19:22:33 <ennael> please welcome her in packagers hell 19:22:35 <MrsB> o/ 19:22:38 <AL13N> o/ 19:22:41 <sebsebseb> yep I already knew MrsB is leader of QA 19:22:50 <ennael> sebsebseb: please... 19:22:53 <AL13N> MrsB: it's always barbecue here 19:23:01 <MrsB> thankyou for the welcome 19:23:04 <ennael> MrsB: something to add on features ? 19:23:10 <MrsB> I have something to ask while I'm here ;) 19:23:21 <ennael> about features ? 19:23:27 <MrsB> no, bugzilla 19:23:34 <ennael> ok so later :) 19:23:36 <MrsB> updates 19:23:38 <MrsB> yep 19:23:44 <ennael> next topic then 19:23:46 <AL13N> wait 19:23:58 <AL13N> does QA get a say about features? 19:24:02 <AL13N> what is maintainable? 19:24:06 <AL13N> is that important information? 19:24:22 <ennael> not really not automatically 19:24:28 <AL13N> ok 19:24:33 <ennael> devs are the one to be implied and make something usable 19:24:46 <ennael> #topic Managing coming development planning 19:24:46 <MrsB> It shouldnt really affect us in that way, not like opening backports or something. Just more packages 19:24:53 * anaselli laugh 19:24:59 <ennael> so 19:25:07 <AL13N> MrsB: k 19:25:08 <ennael> have you all seen planning for Mageia 3 ? 19:25:11 <AL13N> yes 19:25:29 * anaselli hides 19:25:32 <ennael> tsss 19:25:41 <ennael> you should all know it by heart :) 19:25:41 <Solbu> I havent. 19:25:45 <ennael> anyway 19:26:00 <ennael> as a reminder first development release is planned for 04/09 19:26:18 <AL13N> this? http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/06/11/cauldron-is-boiling-again-never-2-without-3/ 19:26:18 <ennael> we will work together with QA team to follow this planning 19:26:20 <erzulie> [ Cauldron is boiling again: never 2 without 3 | Mageia Blog (English) ] 19:26:39 <Solbu> ennael: You're using mm/dd dating? 19:26:43 <ennael> QA team is working on process to have proper tests for isos release 19:26:50 <ennael> 09/04 19:26:56 <anaselli> wow a mageia spring :p 19:27:11 <AL13N> ennael: better put the year with it, so we know which is month 19:27:36 <ennael> please 19:27:41 <ennael> can we go on ? 19:27:47 * AL13N hides 19:28:06 <ennael> MrsB: want to add something for QA team ? 19:28:35 <MrsB> not yet. We're hoping to have a more formal setup for next iso's 19:28:48 <MrsB> we should begin testing earlier 19:28:55 <ennael> while we are on it 19:29:11 <ennael> we will start discussions next week about isos 19:29:20 <ennael> how many, what inside, how... 19:29:27 <MrsB> fewer please 19:29:39 <ennael> MrsB: that's part of this discussion :) 19:30:34 <anaselli> ennael: not that important, but can you add an ical on pallning page? 19:30:42 <ennael> ? 19:30:46 <ennael> ah 19:30:52 <ennael> we will add it on calendat 19:30:54 <ennael> calendar 19:31:11 <anaselli> yes thanks i think it's useful :) 19:31:29 <ennael> yep good reminder :) 19:31:41 <ennael> #action add release planning in Mageia calendar 19:32:59 <ennael> anything else to add ? 19:33:22 <AL13N> not for me 19:33:27 <anaselli> calendar link :D 19:34:20 <ennael> added as an action 19:34:26 <ennael> #topic collaboration policy 19:34:36 <ennael> ok as discussed last week 19:34:50 <ennael> we needed such policy for Mageia 19:35:12 <ennael> to make things clean and avoid useless flame war 19:35:31 <ennael> coling did write it (thanks for that) 19:35:33 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy 19:35:33 <erzulie> [ Collaboration policy - Mageia wiki ] 19:35:42 * AL13N reads 19:35:51 <ennael> Please have a look on it 19:35:59 <ennael> you can comments on -dev ML 19:36:57 <AL13N> perhaps we can show this to other distro's for comments? 19:37:10 <AL13N> to ask if it's sufficient in their opinion? 19:37:14 <anaselli> already approved :) 19:38:24 <ennael> I guess a blog post would be nice to announce it 19:39:28 <anaselli> after mailing list discussion? 19:39:28 <AL13N> perhaps it should be approved first? 19:39:35 <ennael> anaselli: yep 19:39:44 <ennael> of course... when it's all ok 19:39:49 <AL13N> ok 19:40:12 * AL13N phears... it's being quite silent 19:40:20 <ennael> #action when collaboration policy is approved, work on a blog post to announce it 19:41:23 <ennael> any comment ? 19:41:42 <rindolf> ennael: no, sounds good. 19:41:51 <anaselli> fine for me 19:41:57 <sebsebseb> reading that wiki page, seems good to me so far :) 19:42:12 <AL13N> k, thanks coling 19:42:15 <ennael> #action post url on -dev to get approval 19:42:29 <ennael> ok that's all for the list of topics 19:42:33 <ennael> MrsB: wanted to add one ? 19:42:44 <MrsB> Yes please 19:43:01 <ennael> #topic QA demand for Bugzilla 19:43:05 <ennael> shoot :) 19:43:05 <MrsB> bugzilla policy for updates covering both releases 19:43:08 <MrsB> thanks 19:43:24 <MrsB> So, we currently are trying to use one bug report for updates 19:43:38 <MrsB> some bug reports carry updates for both mga2 and mga1 19:43:56 <MrsB> at present with current bugzilla ther eis no obvious way for us to tell they are for both 19:44:13 <MrsB> I'd like to request that when that sort of bug report is made 19:44:33 <MrsB> we follow bugsquad policy and use a keyword in the whiteboard 19:44:47 <MrsB> so, set release to Mageia 2 19:44:57 <MrsB> and in the whiteboard add MGA1TOO 19:45:15 <MrsB> It's obvious for us in QA then that it covers both releases 19:45:27 <MrsB> Please :) 19:45:32 <spturtle> for such cases usually a separate issue is created for each release AFAIK 19:45:43 <MrsB> We've been trialing using one 19:45:51 <MrsB> so far it has seemed to work quite well 19:45:55 <AL13N> that's nice 19:46:05 <AL13N> it can group the same issue then 19:46:33 <MrsB> One issue we found was where multiple versions of a package were on that report for two releases 19:46:52 <MrsB> ie. postgresql 8.4 9.0 and 9.1 for mga1 and mga2 19:47:05 <MrsB> could have done with 2 or even 3 reports 19:47:14 <AL13N> MrsB: the other day somone asked if there was a bug for cauldron and also valid for mga2, how is that handled? 19:47:41 <AL13N> MrsB: is it set to cauldron and MGA2TOO on it? 19:47:50 <MrsB> Bugsquad have been setting the release to the highest one and using the whiteboard keywords 19:47:54 <MrsB> yep 19:47:59 <AL13N> that's what i suggested 19:48:01 <AL13N> ok then 19:48:02 <AL13N> good to know 19:48:16 <MrsB> I'd just like to apply that to qa bugs too please 19:48:28 <spturtle> so how does it end up if fixed for cauldron but rejected for mga2... 19:48:41 <MrsB> so when you create a bug please add the keyword to whiteboard if it concerns both releases and set it to mga2 19:49:04 <AL13N> spturtle: we set it to cauldron 19:49:23 <AL13N> MrsB: perhaps there should be an #info or something so it's on the summary 19:49:25 <ennael> #action when you create a bug please add the keyword MGA2TOO to whiteboard if it concerns both releases and set it to mga2 19:49:26 <MrsB> This is for bugs you create to send updates to QA 19:49:37 <Solbu> Maybe the bugzilla should have a smal note on this so the avarage user hwo is not in the ml or in the chat, know hotw to report correctly. 19:49:47 <MrsB> ennael: and set it to MGA2 release 19:49:56 <MrsB> oh sorry you said that 19:50:06 <ennael> just copied what you said :) 19:50:11 <MrsB> thanks :) 19:50:25 <ennael> ok antyhing else to add ? 19:50:38 <MrsB> not on that, thanks 19:50:49 <ennael> any other topic ? 19:50:59 <MrsB> bug 2317 /o\ 19:51:13 <ennael> MrsB: I forgot to post on -dev 19:51:19 <ennael> I will mail just after meeting 19:51:26 <MrsB> AL13N has begun to look at it I think 19:52:07 <ennael> ok 19:52:08 <AL13N> i could use some help on that though 19:52:17 <rindolf> AL13N: how can I help? 19:52:23 <ennael> can we close meeting for tonight ? 19:52:26 <rindolf> AL13N: what do you ned help with? 19:52:28 <ennael> (shot one for once) 19:52:29 <AL13N> ok, that's fine 19:52:30 <rindolf> ennael: fine by me. 19:52:30 <MrsB> rindolf \o/ 19:52:34 <sebsebseb> yep 19:52:37 <ennael> #endmeeting