19:19:20 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:19:20 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Wed May 9 19:19:20 2012 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:19:20 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:19:21 <erzulie> [ MeetBot - Debian Wiki ] 19:19:44 <ennael> hi all 19:20:12 <coling> hello 19:20:14 <coling> :) 19:20:14 <remmy> Heya :) 19:20:23 <guillomovitch> I'm here too, but only temporarily 19:20:35 <ennael> ok 19:20:39 <ennael> #topic RC isos 19:20:46 <pterjan> guillomovitch: like all of us sadly 19:20:49 <sebsebseb> hi 19:20:49 <ennael> so finally they are available 19:20:55 <coling> \o/ 19:20:58 <ennael> :) 19:21:08 <ennael> thanks coling for helping tmb to break it :) 19:21:10 <coling> Massive kudos to you and tmb (and blino and everyone else) 19:21:19 <ennael> thanks tmb for not sleeping since some days 19:21:35 <ennael> thanks QA for all the hard work during these days 19:22:01 <ennael> we have all live cds, DVDs, and dual 19:22:13 <ennael> so please if you can have a look on it that would be great 19:22:27 <ennael> we still need some tests on upgrade 19:22:36 <ennael> also we still have some space on DVDs 19:22:50 <ennael> if nobody makes any proposal I will add divs :) 19:22:52 <ennael> divx 19:23:15 * coling gets dinner out of the oven... brb 19:23:16 <remmy> Question: Is there any difference between version freeze pre RC and after RC? 19:23:20 <ennael> #action tests needed on live CDs 19:23:26 <ennael> remmy: ? 19:23:30 <pterjan> ennael: we can play the divx during install 19:23:37 <ennael> pterjan: yep :) 19:23:49 <ennael> #action tests needed for upgrade 19:23:55 <remmy> Do the same rules still apply? That is: Only bug fixes and no new versions? 19:24:02 <ennael> of course! 19:24:08 * ennael will kill remmy :) 19:24:09 <remmy> Or are they tighter for RC? 19:24:15 <ennael> tighter 19:24:23 <remmy> Okies 19:24:31 <ennael> meaning we will push only fixes for critical bugs 19:24:49 <pterjan> especially the ones that can not be fixed in updates 19:24:53 <ennael> yep 19:25:05 <ennael> so release_blocker ones (review planned in next topic) 19:25:22 <pterjan> is it safe to upgrade now? 19:25:39 <ennael> main issues are fixed but still some pending 19:25:52 <ennael> the last one discovered is about MySQL => mariadb 19:26:02 <coling> What issue is that? 19:26:10 <ennael> let see that in next topic :) 19:26:24 <pterjan> my only mageia machine has no monitor so it boot/network/sshd breaks I can't contribute anymore but I should probably try :) 19:26:30 <ennael> just to finish on this topic, final release is planned for 22d of may 19:26:57 <ennael> so one week postponed to give enought time afte RC 19:26:59 <ennael> after 19:27:02 <coling> Cool 19:27:17 <ennael> #info as a reminder final release is planned for 22d of may 19:27:21 <coling> Not bad in the overall scheme of things :) 19:27:38 <ennael> hope it will be less painfull than RC :) 19:27:58 <coling> So does tmb :p 19:28:01 <ennael> :) 19:28:14 <ennael> ok anything else to add on RC ? 19:28:30 <leuhmanu> yes, 19:28:41 <leuhmanu> can we add a package in core/updates ? 19:28:49 <ennael> ? 19:28:57 <leuhmanu> for testing the updates step in the dvd installer 19:29:12 <zezinho> there is already gimp 2.8 19:29:25 <leuhmanu> updates not updates_testing 19:29:41 <leuhmanu> (since it use urpmi --update) 19:29:47 <zezinho> right, sorry 19:29:52 <pterjan> we can have a newer null there but null is not in the dvd :P 19:30:25 <tmb> I think we could bump mageia-release with 0.1 and push it in updates :) 19:32:04 <ennael> erf 19:32:50 <ennael> can't remember if we used to do such test in mdv 19:33:06 <ennael> pterjan or blino: do you remember ? 19:33:11 <tmb> well, we need a package that is on every iso to verify updates works 19:33:25 <pterjan> I don't remmeber but it sound like a good idea 19:33:26 <ennael> kernel :) 19:33:35 <ennael> basesystem 19:33:53 <pterjan> I think we had some updates ready usually 19:34:03 <pterjan> the non critical bugs 19:34:27 <zezinho> so we could submit the freeze push for non-critical? 19:34:56 <pterjan> yes things that are not critical should go to updates_testing and then updates 19:35:10 <pterjan> like normal updates 19:35:21 <zezinho> but we need at least one fastly in updates 19:35:45 <pterjan> yes probably better to do mageia-release/basesystem/whatever 19:36:02 <pterjan> and clean the updates media before uploading the first real one 19:36:07 <leuhmanu> it this way, some package can be resolved but not in the media... 19:37:03 <AL13N> pterjan: leuhmanu: task-lamp 19:37:19 <ennael> nope 19:37:31 <ennael> anybody volunteer to provide this update? 19:37:32 <pterjan> ideally we want something present on dual cd 19:37:40 <pterjan> to test from there too 19:38:35 <ennael> pterjan: can you push it? 19:38:46 <pterjan> I can do 19:38:50 <ennael> thanks 19:39:17 <ennael> #action pterjan will submit a package in update media to test it at the end of classical installer 19:39:31 <ennael> anything else ? 19:39:34 <ennael> (on RC) 19:40:28 <coling> not from me 19:40:38 <tmb> or me 19:40:46 <ennael> ok 19:40:53 <ennael> #topic release blocker bugs review 19:41:21 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/query.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=VERIFIED&priority=release_blocker&product=Mageia&query_format=advanced&version=Cauldron&known_name=release_blocker 19:41:23 <erzulie> [ Search for bugs ] 19:41:38 <ennael> we have 16 bugs in list 19:41:50 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5798 19:41:52 <erzulie> [ Bug 5798 - rpmdrake is missing on the dual cd. ] 19:41:54 <zezinho> much less than Debian ;-) 19:42:13 <ennael> I will have a look tomorrow to try to make it fit inside but it will be diffcult 19:42:32 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5796 19:42:34 <erzulie> [ Bug 5796 - task-printing missing required task-* cause upgrade to fail - mga1 to RC DVD 64 ] 19:42:39 <ennael> that one is blocker for upgrade 19:43:50 <ennael> boklm had a look on that one 19:44:04 <ennael> it seems hdlists are ok in 32 but not 64 bits 19:44:08 <ennael> (about libwsutil.so.1) 19:45:36 <coling> But that's apparently fixed now? 19:45:45 <coling> So just the task-printing* remain? 19:46:08 <ennael> MrsB: around ? 19:46:19 <rindolf> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5734 - what should we do about that? 19:46:21 <erzulie> [ Bug 5734 - ATI fglrx breaks resume from hibernation ] 19:46:35 <ennael> rindolf: please wait 19:47:02 <coling> So what's the actual problem, do we know why task-printing was not selected for upgrade? 19:48:24 <AL13N> i thought MrsB was going to go sleep 19:48:27 <ennael> ok 19:48:33 <ennael> I will ping her back on that one 19:48:48 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5791 19:48:50 <erzulie> [ Bug 5791 - mysql.sock not created; Can't start mysql: error in /etc/init.d/mysqld? ] 19:48:56 <ennael> reported today 19:49:06 <ennael> yesterday 19:49:10 <ennael> AL13N: any status ? 19:49:16 <trem> doktor5000: I've asked on #e.fr, and it seems that connman isn't very smart 19:49:27 <AL13N> original report was an install with /var unformatted 19:49:30 <ennael> trem: meeting in progress 19:49:39 <AL13N> i think it might be a problem with mga1 > mga2 upgrade 19:49:52 <AL13N> but we can't test atm due to mariadb not on DVD 19:50:06 <AL13N> MrsB was planning on testing the upgrade part from mariadb 19:50:09 <ennael> ok I can build temporary iso to check this 19:50:15 <AL13N> so we would know if it broke 19:50:25 <ennael> will do it after meeting 19:50:37 <AL13N> ennael: better first check if package installed on her system would break upgrade 19:50:37 <ennael> please do not spread these isos as it will be a mess 19:50:39 <zezinho> I did mga1 > mga2 upgrade on mysql server 19:50:42 <AL13N> the data is still there, so it could be testable 19:50:56 <AL13N> zezinho: b3 or rc2? 19:50:57 <zezinho> all worked nicely 19:51:01 <ennael> ok 19:51:03 <AL13N> ah ok 19:51:06 <ennael> so more tests needed 19:51:06 <AL13N> so it might be ok 19:51:10 <zezinho> network update 1 week ago 19:51:14 <zezinho> so almost RC 19:51:22 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5767 19:51:23 <AL13N> ennael: can you build an iso anyway? 19:51:24 <erzulie> [ Bug 5767 - File conflicts - Failed upgrade from mga1 to Pre RC DVD 64 (guile) ] 19:51:28 <ennael> AL13N: yes 19:51:32 <AL13N> ennael: k thx 19:51:43 <ennael> we need a volunteer to have a look on guile 19:51:57 <rindolf> ennael: I can try doing that on the weekend. 19:52:04 <rindolf> ennael: which is on Fri+Sat. 19:52:05 * tmb thinks ennael is now addicted to iso building :) 19:52:25 <ennael> tmb: don't laugh :) 19:52:39 <ennael> rindolf: would be nice to have it on friday 19:52:43 <ennael> is it possible ? 19:52:54 <pterjan> I can try before but not sure 19:52:57 <remmy> I don't see how we can fit onto a CD for mga 3... but that's a challenge for next year :P 19:53:01 <rindolf> ennael: yes, I guess. 19:53:10 <ennael> great 19:53:14 <rindolf> ennael: you're talking about this bug, right - https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5767 ? 19:53:16 <erzulie> [ Bug 5767 - File conflicts - Failed upgrade from mga1 to Pre RC DVD 64 (guile) ] 19:53:33 <ennael> #action #5798 needs more infomation from MrsB 19:53:56 <ennael> #undo 19:53:56 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x84ddaac> 19:54:08 <ennael> #action #5798 tests tomorrow by ennael 19:54:14 <ennael> #action #5796 needs more infomation from MrsB 19:54:36 <ennael> #action #5791 needs more tests + 1 DVD iso including mariadb 19:54:48 <zezinho> An upgrade from DVD should always enable network medias? 19:55:02 <coling> AL13N, FWIW, the upgrade from mga1 -> mga2 will still have the problem that mariadb (and httpd) get disabled due to systemd migration related to the fact that the package name changed for both. 19:55:05 <ennael> #action #5767 rindolf will have a look and prpose a fix for friday 19:55:23 <leuhmanu> zezinho: nop 19:55:28 <zezinho> coling : is this in the release notes? 19:55:47 <AL13N> coling: is it fixable or even required to be fixed? 19:56:36 <coling> zezinho, AL13N, not sure. probably not. I did intend to do something about it but it requires new rpm-helper to add a special mode to disable package disabling on package uninstall... It was a bit complicated tho', so I didn't get around to it. 19:56:43 <coling> I suspect we should just document it. 19:56:56 <coling> (i don't really want to play too much more with rpm-helper at this stage) 19:56:57 <AL13N> good for me, it's not critical i think 19:57:05 <zezinho> Yes, I experienced it in my server upgrade 19:57:06 <ennael> anyway modifying rpm-helper is not a good idea now 19:57:21 <ennael> AL13N: can you update release notes ? 19:57:27 <ennael> we need it for installer 19:57:32 <AL13N> ok 19:57:39 <zezinho> I can update release notes 19:57:43 <AL13N> what about httpd? 19:57:50 <ennael> #action AL13N will update release notes about upgrade/mariadb 19:57:52 <AL13N> i didn't see it renamed? 19:57:56 <zezinho> For both httpd and mariadb 19:57:56 <coling> AL13N same deal as mariadb. 19:58:06 <coling> AL13N, the actual service file moved into the mpm subpackages. 19:58:11 <AL13N> ah 19:58:27 <coling> So it's slightly different, but similar in principle. 19:58:45 <AL13N> release notes is on the wiki right? 19:58:47 <coling> Although actually hmm. 19:58:49 <zezinho> After the update, both services are not enabled 19:58:52 <AL13N> should it be release notes or errata? 19:58:58 <coling> Maybe it's a slightly different issue there. 19:59:10 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes 19:59:11 <erzulie> [ Mageia 2 Release Notes - Mageia wiki ] 19:59:22 <coling> I'll double check the httpd one (I have seen it get disabled due to ordering, but I'll need to look again. 19:59:28 <ennael> thanks 19:59:47 <ennael> #action coling will have a look on httpd and check upgrade process 20:00:01 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5746 20:00:03 <erzulie> [ Bug 5746 - An error occured: One big transaction - Upgrading mga1 to Pre RC. Upgrade failed. ] 20:00:41 <ennael> that one is a weird one that is happening quite randomly since years now 20:01:16 <ennael> so either somebody has an idea now or we lower the priority 20:01:22 <AL13N> wait, shouldn't it be on errata? i see no obvious place to put this warning (maybe with upgrading from mga1) 20:03:34 <AL13N> btw: is this good: https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Mageia_2_Release_Notes&action=historysubmit&diff=6271&oldid=6261 ? 20:03:35 <erzulie> [ Mageia 2 Release Notes - Mageia wiki ] 20:04:17 <ennael> ok nobody for 5746, decreasing for now 20:04:32 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5734 20:04:34 <erzulie> [ Bug 5734 - ATI fglrx breaks resume from hibernation ] 20:04:58 <boklm> maybe there should be a section in release notes to list important changes affecting users 20:05:37 <anaselli> ennael: Bug 5746 it's very similar to the one i had upgrading mdv 2010.2 to mga1 on my netbook 20:06:07 <anaselli> at least the fact to have full partition 20:06:38 * AL13N agrees with boklm 20:06:40 <anaselli> that was because the packages were first all cached and then installed 20:06:56 <coling> For the ATI issue I have no hardware but I'd say that it's not a critical problem and can be addressed after release with updates as needed. 20:06:58 <ennael> ok so this is something we can't change now anyway 20:07:06 <ennael> coling: ok 20:07:30 <ennael> #action #5734 can fixed later through update 20:07:46 <tmb> the ati bug seems to be the system tries to resume with radeon even if fglrx is configured.. 20:07:57 * Led43_mag2 tested and could not recreate Bug but had plenty of free space on all partitions 20:08:26 <Led43_mag2> Bug 5746 20:08:29 <anaselli> no if it's the same... i believe we can't, but we should think about it soon, if we want to upgrade usb keys or something like that 20:09:11 <coling> tmb, could be an initrd issue? 20:09:18 <AL13N> boklm: i did this: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#Notable_changes_after_upgrade 20:09:19 <erzulie> [ Mageia 2 Release Notes - Mageia wiki ] 20:09:27 <anaselli> Led43_mag2: i think you could try installing on 4/8 Gb disk to get it 20:09:51 <anaselli> i updated it via urpmi by hands... 20:09:59 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5674 20:10:01 <erzulie> [ Bug 5674 - reboot or shutdown hangs with either rc live cd or dvd. ] 20:10:26 <coling> Was that the "press any key" issue? 20:11:05 <tmb> nope, that is fixed 20:11:19 <ennael> "I entered reboot in a terminal, which hung after displaying the message 20:11:20 <ennael> shutting down for reboot." 20:11:29 <anaselli> there's no "any" key in the keyboard coling, i believe :p 20:12:00 * Led43_mag2 was waiting for some one to say that 20:12:13 * anaselli hides 20:12:46 <ennael> :) 20:13:16 <coling> Hmm, it's not clear what the problem is there. 20:13:19 <ennael> our friend simplew is not here 20:14:04 <leuhmanu> maybe the duplicate was not really a duplicate 20:14:06 <AL13N> is that one of those systemd is still pending on something? 20:14:07 <leuhmanu> then sorry 20:14:21 <coling> It's not clear whether that bug is about an installed system or a live system... seems to have comments about both. 20:14:46 <leuhmanu> (simplew was comming with the duplicate) 20:15:40 <ennael> ok it seems we need more information... 20:15:59 <coling> I'll try and track that one down. 20:16:03 <ennael> ok 20:16:23 <ennael> #action #5674 coling will track this one 20:16:35 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5672 20:16:37 <erzulie> [ Bug 5672 - rc pre-release cd very slow to boot. ] 20:16:40 <anaselli> coling: i believe the text is to high 20:16:54 <anaselli> i've seen that problem only on the notebook 20:17:23 <anaselli> not on my PC with high screen resolution 20:17:25 <ennael> coling: wdyt? 20:17:28 <anaselli> just guess 20:17:42 <anaselli> well on the notebook 20:17:44 <anaselli> s 20:17:53 <ennael> anaselli: please 20:18:10 <anaselli> ah sorry, wrong bug :/ 20:18:27 <coling> ennael, no idea on the slow boot one. I fixed the only issue I was aware of and could not reproduce it. 20:18:41 <coling> ennael, seems Dave was the only one who could reproduce as I don't think tmb could either... 20:19:07 <AL13N> well, from comments it looks like tmb will try to find similar hardware 20:19:21 <coling> Yup. 20:19:36 <ennael> ok let see that in coming days 20:19:41 <AL13N> perhaps tmb can check it out, or else it'll have to wait until someone can reproduce 20:19:53 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5567 20:19:54 <erzulie> [ Bug 5567 - tg3 fails to initialize in installer ] 20:20:44 <AL13N> #action #5674 needs reproducing 20:21:10 <ennael> tmb: any comment on #5567 ? 20:21:10 <coling> No changes since last discussion on the tg3 it seems unless tmb has more info/ideas 20:21:17 <ennael> ok 20:21:34 <Stormi> I have the hardware (the bug was reported by a colleage of mine) 20:21:43 <Stormi> so feedback can be quick 20:21:58 <coling> Stormi, for tg3? 20:22:00 <Stormi> yes 20:22:51 <AL13N> it looks like upstream kernel problem to me 20:22:58 <tmb> Stormi: can you "modprobe -r tg3 && modprobe broadcom && modprobe tg3" on that system, does it work then? 20:23:12 <ennael> ah he is still alive :) 20:23:18 <AL13N> :) 20:23:20 <Stormi> tmb: I have it at work so must try tomorrow 20:23:38 <ennael> can you fill bugzilla with this test? 20:23:45 <tmb> yep 20:23:48 <ennael> thanks 20:23:49 <Stormi> what I know is that hardware works with mageia 20:24:15 <Stormi> only during install it can't use it 20:24:19 <ennael> #action #5567 tmb provides some tests - Stormi will give results 20:24:33 <Stormi> do you need me to issue this from the boot.iso ? 20:24:43 <Stormi> (well, boot-nonfree) 20:25:45 <Stormi> I must go, will give the results tomorrow 20:25:50 <ennael> ok 20:25:55 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5462 20:25:57 <erzulie> [ Bug 5462 - Beta 3 LiveCDs (Probably all) fail to boot with nvidia GPU ] 20:26:26 <ennael> can we close this one? 20:26:51 <tmb> 5462 should be fixed, atleast on single-gpu systems... it would be nice to see if it works on a nvidia/intel laptop 20:27:19 <ennael> do we have people around with this hardware? 20:27:20 <leuhmanu> and the blocker ? 20:27:22 <tmb> single-gpu as in nvidia only 20:27:55 <tmb> MrsB has confirmed it works for her (and her hw uses nvidia-current) 20:28:07 <ennael> so can we close it? 20:28:28 <tmb> I think we can, it can always be re-opened if someone else hit it 20:28:46 <ennael> ok 20:28:53 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5426 20:28:56 <erzulie> [ Bug 5426 - Beta3 doesn't boot on ati graphics hardware ] 20:29:18 <anaselli> tmb could amd/intel be helpful instead? 20:29:22 <leuhmanu> can somebody remove the line in the download page ? so we can have new bug if npt 20:29:25 <leuhmanu> not 20:30:16 <tmb> anaselli: amd/intel test is needed for 5426 20:31:03 <anaselli> tmb ok i can ask my collegue for that, but the iso livecd i have now does not start X at the moment 20:31:32 <anaselli> have you got one new? 20:31:42 <tmb> anaselli: RCs ? 20:31:46 <anaselli> yes 20:32:00 <AL13N> anaselli: did you have a pre-RC? 20:32:08 <anaselli> AL13N: yes 20:32:24 <AL13N> anaselli: RC is out, so i suspect it is newer 20:32:27 <AL13N> unsure though 20:32:27 <tmb> final RC that is ? 20:32:59 <anaselli> tmb: no the pre rc 20:33:12 <anaselli> MrsB: told me where to download it 20:33:32 <anaselli> so if rc is out i will test that tomorrow morning, then tmb 20:33:34 <AL13N> anaselli: better get the real one then 20:33:35 <tmb> ah, maybe you got one of broken build that booted in runlevel 3 20:33:40 <rindolf> Sorry. Got disconnected. 20:33:59 <AL13N> #action #5426 anaselli will test 20:33:59 <tmb> anaselli: thanks 20:33:59 <anaselli> tmb: i will give you the feed back tomorrow then 20:34:08 <ennael> ok 20:34:35 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5192 20:34:37 <erzulie> [ Bug 5192 - keyboard layout not set correctly for LUKS passphrase ] 20:34:48 <coling> couldn't reproduce no matter how many times I tried. 20:35:00 <coling> I think the reporter said he's retry after the official RC. 20:35:02 <coling> So next :) 20:35:07 <ennael> yep 20:35:17 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4772 20:35:19 <erzulie> [ Bug 4772 - boot hangs at 'Starting cpufreq (via systemctl)' ] 20:35:32 <coling> Again waiting for feedback with RC I think. 20:35:44 <ennael> can you update bug then for RC ? 20:35:58 <coling> Somebody said their netbook had issues and were going to try... Luigi12 maybe? I forget 20:36:10 <ennael> #action #5192 #4772 waiting for updates after RC tests 20:36:13 <rindolf> Hmmm... my Mageia 1 VM keeps crashing when I run urpmi --auto --auto-select. 20:36:24 <coling> rindolf, please wait. 20:36:29 <coling> rindolf, we're mid-meeting 20:36:35 <rindolf> coling: OK, OK. 20:36:52 <rindolf> coling: I'm trying to fix my assigned bug. 20:36:57 <ennael> coling: can you ask for tests using RC on that bug ? 20:37:04 <coling> ennael, I'll update the bug. Is the RC announcement out there? 20:37:18 * coling hasn't seen it. 20:37:23 <ennael> yep on blog 20:37:27 * ennael forgot ML my bad 20:37:32 <ennael> will do it juste after 20:37:43 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1812 20:37:54 <ennael> tmb: any idea on that one ? 20:38:10 <AL13N> (i don't see erzulie) 20:38:23 <ennael> she is sleeping 20:38:25 <ennael> with tmb 20:38:26 <leuhmanu> ,bug 1812 20:38:26 <ennael> :) 20:38:28 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1812 major, release_blocker, Mageia 2, mageia, NEW, Closing an "Advanced settings" window during live-install quits the installer without warning, draklive-install 20:38:53 <AL13N> heh 20:39:08 <AL13N> ok, so is this fixable, noone seems to do it 20:39:17 <AL13N> if not, i guess this goes on to errata 20:39:24 <Luigi12> oh no, meeting :o( coling: no I don't have a netbook 20:39:31 <ennael> let's add it to errata 20:39:40 <ennael> AL13N: can you add it to errata please ? 20:39:46 <AL13N> yeah 20:40:02 <ennael> thanks 20:40:12 <ennael> #action AL13N add #1812 to errata 20:40:52 <ennael> now 2 last trackers 20:40:54 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120 20:40:59 <coling> My favourite 20:41:01 <coling> :) 20:41:20 <coling> OK, so the hwclock one is pretty much waiting IMO on the e2fsprogs issue I've been pinging about. 20:41:21 <ennael> :) 20:41:36 <coling> I really don't see why people are confused by this one. 20:41:38 <ennael> yep we need to decide on that one... 20:41:51 <coling> Basically e2fsck is braindead. 20:41:56 <Luigi12> ennael: icewm wasn't ready to be pushed yet, now it's config is broken 20:42:06 <coling> It uses the *current* time to decide on whether or not to break boot and perform a check 20:42:18 <coling> This is just dumb and no other fsck that I know of does this. 20:42:27 <coling> My change is simply to turn this option off. 20:42:33 <ennael> Luigi12: please meeting in progress 20:42:51 <ennael> I would say ok on my side 20:42:54 <coling> Fedora have done this already and I've spoken to Kay (upstream udev, systemd) and he recommends this approach. 20:42:55 <sander85> +1 on turning it off 20:43:00 <Luigi12> :P 20:43:54 <coling> OK, so decided? 20:44:13 <ennael> yes adding opinions on ML I think we validate it 20:44:17 <coling> The only other bug on the tracker (cpufreq one is also marked as release blocker so we've discussed already) 20:44:31 <coling> is the prefdm.service fails to start. 20:44:40 <ennael> yep 20:44:41 <coling> That's a bad title really, but it's the LSB scripts issue. 20:44:53 <sander85> how many scripts left? 20:44:54 <ennael> pterjan did the remaining one yesterday evening 20:44:59 <coling> There are still about 10-15 packages with this issue. 20:45:06 <coling> Oh really? 20:45:14 <ennael> yep I submiytted it yesterday 20:45:27 <coling> Hmm, I don't think that covers all of them. 20:45:31 <coling> See https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjumKqYMRG9WdHdkRWM3dUhEYms5T1BkR05KRnp6V1E#gid=0 20:45:51 <AL13N> (action colin will check the last LSB header packages) 20:45:53 <AL13N> :-) 20:45:54 <coling> These are the packages that I have listed that have initscripts with no LSB headers. 20:45:57 <pterjan> ennael: that was not the same, I fixed the 10-15 packages with broken lsb headers 20:46:06 <pterjan> not the ones without any 20:46:11 <ennael> argh ok my bad 20:46:16 <coling> I can probably fix the remaining packages on Friday 20:46:17 * ennael is tired :) 20:46:21 <ennael> would be great 20:46:29 <coling> (I have a long train journey to fill!) 20:46:43 <coling> Might not be able to commit/submit until Monday evening tho' 20:46:49 <AL13N> (be careful what you wish for) 20:46:57 <coling> :D 20:47:07 <erzulie> [ Bug 1812 - Closing an "Advanced settings" window during live-install quits the installer without warning ] 20:47:07 <erzulie> [ Bug 1812 - Closing an "Advanced settings" window during live-install quits the installer without warning ] 20:47:07 <erzulie> [ Bug 2120 - [Tracker] Implement systemd in Mageia 2 - specifications ] 20:47:07 <erzulie> [ Welcome to Google Docs ] 20:47:20 <ennael> #action #5262 coling will fix remaining packages 20:47:21 <coling> Ahh Freenode issues it seems :) 20:47:34 <ennael> yep :) 20:47:50 <AL13N> heh 20:47:59 <AL13N> so now the upgrade issue tracker? 20:48:02 <coling> I guess so. 20:48:10 <AL13N> pfff, still al ot 20:48:34 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3342 20:48:37 <erzulie> [ Bug 3342 - [Tracker] Upgrade Mga 1 > Mga 2 ] 20:48:49 <ennael> many of them have been already discussed 20:49:01 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4136 20:49:03 <erzulie> [ Bug 4136 - mgaapplet still displays 'invalid password' dialog even when I haven't entered any password ] 20:49:08 <coling> Yeah we've already discussed a few of them it seems 20:49:09 <anaselli> sorry i'm tired and need to go to bed... good night 20:49:17 <coling> Night anaselli :) 20:49:28 <ennael> leuhmanu: can you ping on that bug ? 20:49:34 <ennael> a long time nothing happened 20:50:03 <leuhmanu> yes 20:50:06 <ennael> thanks 20:50:08 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5103 20:50:10 <erzulie> [ Bug 5103 - libchamplain-gtk0.12_0 needs to replace libchamplain-gtk0.8_1 ] 20:51:05 <ennael> leuhmanu: web site updated on nvidia issue 20:51:27 <leuhmanu> hum it's mdv 2010.2 > mga1 upgrade sorry 20:51:34 <leuhmanu> ennael: yep seen thaks 20:51:36 <leuhmanu> +n 20:52:02 <ennael> leuhmanu: ? 20:52:41 <leuhmanu> I upgraded from Mandriva 2010.2 to Mageia 1. 20:52:58 * leuhmanu don't know what's happen in his brain... 20:53:07 <leuhmanu> so next :) 20:53:32 <sander85> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 is this really release_blocker? 20:53:34 <erzulie> [ Bug 5357 - Default-kde4-config requires plasma-applet-icontasks ] 20:53:52 <ennael> these one are not release blocker but dealing with upgrade 20:54:03 <ennael> I will ping mikala 20:54:32 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5686 20:54:34 <erzulie> [ Bug 5686 - python-at-spi needed on iso images to allow update of pyatspi ] 20:54:48 <ennael> I'm on it but it seems reporter did not use final RC iso 20:55:00 <ennael> I guess it's all on bug review 20:55:34 <coling> Yup seems so. 20:55:44 <ennael> anything else to add on meeting ? 20:56:08 <coling> Well, only thing from me is to ask if I can push memcache and maybe openvpn to change slightly how things are done. 20:56:19 <tmb> submission lockdown... 20:56:32 <coling> I asked about memcache a few days ago. 20:56:36 <coling> But no reply. 20:56:50 <coling> The issue is not IMO super important but it's a nice change after discussing with upstream. 20:56:56 <AL13N> coling: what will you change with openvpn? 20:57:17 <coling> AL13N, same as with memcache. It's to add a target that deals with all instances of the templated unit. 20:57:23 <AL13N> oic 20:57:29 <coling> Thus allowing an easy command to restart all openvpn configs at once. 20:57:34 <coling> (or memcache instances) 20:57:34 <AL13N> so if you have more tunnels it''ll be easier 20:57:38 <coling> Yeah. 20:58:03 <coling> This was an ideal after discussing upstream when dealing with a RH client who had to deal with several hundred ftp templated units. 20:58:11 <coling> Restarting them was, as you can imagine a pain. 20:58:17 <AL13N> right 20:58:30 <AL13N> coling: allthough he could likely script it :-) 20:58:40 <coling> AL13N indeed. 20:58:58 <coling> The only reason I'd be keen to push the change now is that doing it later is that it becomes harder to deal with *after* migrating to systemd from sysvinit for upgraders. 20:59:15 <coling> But if it's considered too much of a risk, I'll concede. 20:59:25 <AL13N> i'm not averse to the change, but it's a new feature, isn't it 20:59:35 <AL13N> or rather, a feature that was lost, reimplemented 20:59:44 <coling> Indeed. 20:59:57 <coling> memcache and openvpn initscripts kinda did this internally before. 21:00:17 <coling> (I guess the new feature is that you can control each independently now under systemd) 21:00:26 <AL13N> yes, but that's already there 21:00:31 <coling> Yeah. 21:00:39 <AL13N> it's a gray area 21:00:39 <coling> new vs. sysvinit I meant 21:01:08 <AL13N> coling: will it have an effect on MCC drakxservices? 21:01:19 <coling> AL13N no. 21:01:28 <AL13N> like: openvpn-all + openvpn1 + openvpn 2 + .... etc... 21:01:29 <coling> It'll only list the individual units. 21:01:33 <AL13N> :-( 21:01:46 <AL13N> but yeah 21:01:51 <coling> One for later when we drop sysvinit support... too much of a pain to support just now. 21:02:00 <AL13N> of course 21:02:10 <AL13N> well, who decides for this? 21:02:14 <AL13N> not me for sure 21:02:19 * pterjan updating the server, one big transaction of 1898 packages :/ 21:02:20 <AL13N> tmb: ennael: ? 21:02:27 <coling> Well not me :) 21:02:43 <coling> But I have committed memcached so if it's not going to get pushed I should revert it. 21:03:14 * ennael would like tmb opinion but seems to break current freeze 21:03:15 <boklm> AL13N: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#mariadb 21:03:16 <erzulie> [ Mageia 2 Release Notes - Mageia wiki ] 21:03:19 <sander85> we should push it in, it should be easy to revert if it causes some trouble 21:03:42 <coling> sander85, no reverting now tho'. If it goes in, it stays in IMO. 21:04:07 <coling> It's not a major thing tho'. I'll work out a way to do it as an update. 21:04:18 <coling> So forget about it. 21:04:28 <coling> #action coling to revert memcached in svn. 21:04:34 <Umeaboy> Is minios meant to be included in Mageia? 21:04:34 <ennael> ok 21:04:40 <ennael> Umeaboy: meeting in progress 21:04:46 <AL13N> boklm: it was specific to upgrade so i added in a bit more text 21:04:46 <Umeaboy> OK. 21:04:47 <Umeaboy> Sorry. 21:04:56 <ennael> ok anything else to add for tonight ? 21:05:16 <tmb> ennael: the submission stop 21:05:39 <coling> I guess not. I do want to push a new systemd, to include the specific fixes also taken from fedora. But we'll see what tmb thinks of that. 21:05:39 <ennael> tmb: ? 21:06:05 <coling> I'm not too worried if we don't and I suspect i'll do some updates post release anyway. 21:06:20 <tmb> ennael: as in when we stop submitting packages through freeze even if they are security updates 21:06:59 <ennael> we stopped security updates last friday 21:07:04 <ennael> so it should be stopped now 21:07:05 <AL13N> i think now is good, some security fixes are present for 4 months before fixing, so 2 weeks should be fine 21:07:45 <leuhmanu> we have not said the 12 in the council ? 21:07:58 <ennael> #topic final planning 21:08:00 <pterjan> well we can upload them to updates/ anyway 21:08:48 <ennael> outch I'm a bit disturbed :) 21:08:57 <ennael> security tracker has been closed 21:09:05 <tmb> leuhmanu: yep, thats why I wanted it to get noted /confirmed on packagers meeting too 21:09:18 <ennael> but sublmission closed on friday 21:09:21 <ennael> sorry 21:09:30 <leuhmanu> saturday 21:09:45 <ennael> #info security updates submission will stop on 12nd of may 21:10:22 <ennael> tmb: what about starting building final isos on monday or tuesday ? 21:11:27 * ennael sees tmb running very far 21:12:25 <tmb> well, I'd probably let first set build during night between sunday and monday the, so lets sync frozen repo on sunday 21:12:33 <Luigi12> can we at least get the ffmpeg/mplayer update in? It's already been tested. I won't ask for any more until release. 21:13:41 <ennael> tmb: ok 21:13:50 <coling> tmb, what about the intel + nvidia updates/testing packages? 21:13:59 <coling> tmb, should these go into core/release now? 21:14:11 <ennael> #info repository will be frozen sunday evening for first builds of final isos 21:14:23 <tmb> intel will be pushed. I'd like more tests on the nvidia one 21:14:56 <leuhmanu> there is also calligra hplib and gimp at least 21:15:03 <leuhmanu> and some gtk fix 21:16:20 <ennael> ok 21:16:25 <ennael> anything else? 21:17:17 <coling> Not from me. (tho' please do remember to push e2fsprogs :D) 21:17:42 <Luigi12> just please get to the last freeze push requests I pinged on the list, and also desktop-common-data once coincoin fixes it 21:17:51 <coling> Oh there was a prdoom build issue IIRC (it was an LSB script thing) 21:17:51 <ennael> in progress 21:18:00 <coling> prbroom? 21:18:01 <ennael> ok tahnks guys for attending 21:18:05 * coling forgets the name 21:18:14 <coling> That should be fixed by maintainer ideally 21:18:17 <coling> :maint prbroom 21:18:18 <Sophie> coling: The rpm named `prbroom' has not been found in (Mageia, cauldron, i586) 21:18:24 <coling> :maint prboom 21:18:24 <Sophie> coling: For Mageia (prboom): zezinho 21:18:51 <Luigi12> yeah there's a denial of service issue in a few games that still needs to be addressed, but it'll happen after release now 21:18:52 <coling> Anyway, that shouldn't delay the end of the meeting :) 21:18:57 <ennael> closing the meeting then 21:18:58 <Luigi12> yep 21:19:02 <ennael> #endmeeting