19:14:59 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:14:59 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Wed Apr 18 19:14:59 2012 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:14:59 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:15:01 <erzulie> [ MeetBot - Debian Wiki ] 19:15:05 <ennael> #chair boklm guillomovitch 19:15:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: boklm ennael guillomovitch 19:15:57 <ennael> ok 19:16:04 <ennael> so we did it! 19:16:10 <coling> We did? 19:16:14 <ennael> beta 3 is out 19:16:17 <coling> \o/ 19:16:23 <remmy> Yay :) 19:16:30 <ennael> still have to post on ML but blog is up 19:17:07 <ennael> special thanks to tmb, oliver, coling and blino 19:17:15 <rindolf> Is there a LiveCD? 19:17:15 <remmy> Thanks team 19:17:19 <ennael> that was quite hard time with live cds 19:17:27 <ennael> we have DVDs, dual and lives 19:17:38 <coling> That's awesome well done everyone :) 19:17:44 <rindolf> Thanks everybody. 19:18:00 <ennael> still some work to be done on lives about content but basically it's ok 19:18:30 <ennael> we will have to speak for real after mageia 2 is out about the media we want to have 19:18:32 * sebsebseb looks forward to trying out Live CD's :) later on some time 19:18:48 <ennael> to avoid multiplying isos 19:18:54 <coling> Yeah I was about to mention that but it's a post-mga2 topic really :) 19:19:00 <ennael> yep :) 19:19:25 <ennael> #info need to fix a list of media to be kept after mageia 2 is out 19:20:08 <ennael> #topic review of release blocker bugs 19:20:19 <ennael> coling: review about systemd ? 19:20:49 <coling> ennael, well I think there may still be the "cpufreq" bug, but I can't reproduce it myself. I really need more data on that one. 19:21:07 <coling> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4772 19:21:09 <erzulie> [ Bug 4772 - boot hangs at 'Starting cpufreq (via systemctl)' ] 19:21:29 <coling> I suspect it only happens on real laptops. Certainly none of my VM installs triggered any problems. 19:22:04 <coling> If someone can reproduce this, then if they could make their first boot with "systemd.log_level=debug systemd.log_target=kmsg" on the command line. 19:22:24 <ennael> leuhmanu: could we ping the guys who did report that pb 19:22:25 <ennael> ? 19:22:27 <ennael> on -dev 19:22:37 <ennael> and make them focus on this 19:22:57 <ennael> coling: could you also give information you need to work on this ? 19:23:06 <leuhmanu> ping the reporter on -dev ? 19:23:19 <coling> Yup, I'll comment on the bug. 19:23:43 <coling> Other than that, there are only two things on my radar: LSB scripts and drakxservices support. 19:23:54 <ennael> or in bug but maybe asking on ML will give us more guys to help on this 19:24:02 <ennael> ok 19:24:02 <coling> ennael, cool. 19:24:15 <ennael> guillomovitch: can you help on LSB scripts 19:24:23 <guillomovitch> I can 19:24:30 <coling> LSB scripts are easy enough to do, and I'll work on updating the wiki page guillomovitch mentioned tonight. 19:24:35 <ennael> maybe ask more people for this 19:24:48 <coling> Then hopefully we can just get every packager to do two packages :) 19:24:59 <coling> Then ask for another two after that if we're not done. 19:25:03 <coling> :) 19:25:06 <remmy> I have that problem on my notebook, I can test on saturday 19:25:08 <ennael> #action #4772 coling will ask for more info, mail on -dev to ask help on people having same issue 19:25:16 <ennael> remmy: great 19:25:40 <ennael> #action finalize LSB scripts migration with help of guillomovitch 19:25:54 <ennael> #action coling will work on drakxservices migration 19:26:15 <coling> And as for the drakxservices thing, despite my crappy perl skills I should be able to hack on that before rc 19:26:21 <ennael> :) 19:26:27 <coling> brb 19:26:31 <guillomovitch> ennael: well, that's not rather LSB scripts migration 19:26:36 <guillomovitch> that's systemd migration 19:26:54 <guillomovitch> ensuring non-systemd migrated package have LSB initscrcipts ass fallback 19:26:56 <ennael> yep sorry that was a crappy shorcut 19:26:56 <pterjan> well not really, it also improves for people using pinit :P 19:27:02 <ennael> :) 19:27:21 <ennael> coling: I guess pterjan may help on perl for drakxservices :) 19:27:35 <rindolf> ennael: I can try helping too. 19:27:46 <ennael> well just see with coling about this 19:27:51 <rindolf> When I'm not at work. 19:27:52 <rindolf> OK. 19:28:12 <tmb> and we have our perl_checker tv, that probably will comment on commits :) 19:28:19 <ennael> :) 19:28:22 <ennael> hi tmb :) 19:28:36 <coling> tmb, Yup I've no doubt :) 19:28:39 <ennael> we still have to close some discussions to close release blocker bugs 19:28:48 <coling> (awesome work btw tmb :)) 19:29:04 <ennael> guillomovitch: any progress on the mail you sent on -dev ? 19:29:14 <guillomovitch> not much, actually 19:29:25 <ennael> shall we cut this and take decision here ? 19:29:25 <tmb> wich one ? 19:29:28 <guillomovitch> everyone basically stated on his position 19:29:33 <guillomovitch> tmb: debloatin 19:29:43 <guillomovitch> basically, everyone considers 19:29:53 <guillomovitch> installing as 'running the installer' only scenario 19:30:08 <guillomovitch> so, everyone focuses on rpmsrate issue 19:30:40 <guillomovitch> the infamous KDE/totem relationship 19:30:53 <guillomovitch> just dropping it should leverage part of the problem 19:31:14 <ennael> dropping , 19:31:15 <ennael> ? 19:31:16 * pterjan silently stated his position: does not care about kde /o\ 19:31:27 <ennael> kind of position :) 19:31:47 <guillomovitch> pterjan: mine is 'does not care about the installer' :) 19:31:57 <guillomovitch> ennael: well, ensuring people installing a kde dekstop 19:32:17 <guillomovitch> won't have also gnome installed just because someone thought they'll need totem also 19:32:27 <guillomovitch> which is my current understanding of the problem 19:32:37 <ennael> as I said totem install was quite historic one 19:32:56 <ennael> to have codecs management apps working on all desktop 19:32:59 <ennael> this comes from mdv 19:33:03 <ennael> codeina 19:33:06 <guillomovitch> so, is this still useful ? 19:33:13 <ennael> because at that moment we had a contract 19:33:24 <guillomovitch> I couldn't understand this precise question 19:33:34 <Luigi12_work> totem has already been removed from rpmsrate for kde last I checked 19:33:46 <ennael> so no more reason imho 19:33:48 <guillomovitch> so, the problem should be 80% fixed 19:33:54 <ennael> yep I think so 19:34:02 <guillomovitch> cool 19:34:05 <ennael> now what is left ? 19:34:14 <guillomovitch> the other bug that could be closed quite fast 19:34:31 <guillomovitch> is the infamous 'we can't ship gnome 3 because sometimes we need proprietary drivers" 19:34:35 <ennael> oh yes 19:34:46 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3774 19:34:48 <erzulie> [ Bug 3774 - GNOME3 on free DVD? (requires non-free drivers) ] 19:34:52 <guillomovitch> just tell you don't care about free software, and this one is closed too 19:35:01 <ennael> #action totem is no more installed in default KDE 19:35:06 <ennael> :) 19:35:13 <guillomovitch> or rather, this is a corner case 19:35:28 <tmb> well, speaking generally with my "livecd hat" on, every doc and handbook stuff need to be broken out of main packages if not already done, and only suggests to pull them in 19:35:29 <guillomovitch> which doesn't make gnome3 useless anywhere 19:35:54 <mitya> is this an ATI only problem? GNOME 3 runs with Nouveau almost perfectly 19:35:58 <mitya> *AMD 19:36:06 <ennael> pterjan: you are GNOME user ? :) 19:36:08 <Luigi12_work> plus there's always fallback mode, so who cares? 19:36:10 <guillomovitch> and with intel too 19:36:13 <guillomovitch> and and and... 19:36:27 <pterjan> ennael: not on Mageia 19:36:42 <tmb> as for the 3774, it should be closed as wontfix as amd/ati has no problem either on running Gnome3 19:36:43 <guillomovitch> the point is: as long as it is not useless everywhere 19:36:46 <guillomovitch> we can ship it 19:36:56 <remmy> There was no more room on the Gnome CD for the bigfoot logo. 19:37:18 * pterjan happy with fallback mode 19:37:45 <ennael> it's really usable 19:38:04 <guillomovitch> usable is a subjective point 19:38:32 <guillomovitch> let's make the charge to prove it is not usable to the other party 19:38:47 <pterjan> well for my use of gnome, fallback mode is perfect and light :) 19:39:05 <ennael> guillomovitch: want to post to ask for it? 19:39:09 <tmb> most free drivers work with GNOME, and for those that it does not, they can install nonfree drivers after, or use LiveCDs 19:39:38 <guillomovitch> ennael: no, I don't 19:39:49 <guillomovitch> I already commented the bug on bugzilla 19:40:00 <guillomovitch> I just have additional 'it works for me too' 19:40:13 * pterjan volunteers to close it with a comment 19:40:15 <blino> Gnome3 is unusable for me on a Core 2 Duo with integrated Intel graphics :/ 19:40:19 <sebsebseb> in my expereince with Gnome Shell, I have always needed the propritary Nivida driver to run it properly in distros I have used it in 19:40:43 <coling> blino, that's my setup, (945GMA) Works fine here. 19:40:54 <guillomovitch> works for me here too 19:41:01 * coling has been running GS on that h/w for ages. 19:41:09 <blino> coling: IIRC, that's a Q57 19:41:18 * coling can't recall. 19:42:24 <ennael> pterjan: can you close it ? 19:42:32 <pterjan> ok 19:43:35 <sebsebseb> this is from a user point of view, but I think the free software only DVD's/CD's shoudn't have the propritary NIvida driver, because it's not freesoftware, and the other Live CD's should be able to detect computers that have it and then automatically enable it I think. 19:44:12 <tmb> sebsebseb: that's already the case 19:45:12 <guillomovitch> we still have quite a bunch of security issues, tough 19:45:14 <ennael> pterjan: can you have a look here https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5044 ? 19:45:16 <erzulie> [ Bug 5044 - lilo failed commande introuvable .. sh ligne 0 erreur d'ecriture / broken pipe ] 19:45:18 <guillomovitch> especially the tomcat ones 19:45:41 <guillomovitch> we have tons of java package in the distribution 19:45:57 <guillomovitch> without proper maintainance 19:46:34 <pterjan> ennael: hmm yes forgot about it, I'm assigning it to myself 19:46:34 <mitya> besides, are we going to update Oracle Java to 1.6.0.31? 19:46:47 <Luigi12_work> mitya: we can't, the license doens't allow it 19:46:49 <pterjan> mitya: as far as I know we can't 19:46:50 <guillomovitch> mitya: AFAIK, we can't, for licensing issues 19:47:05 <guillomovitch> so we are going to provide a pseudo-update 19:47:08 <Luigi12_work> guillomovitch: I updated our openjdk 1.6.0 to fix the security issues, but 1.7.0 needs to be done, as well as tomcat as you said 19:47:21 <Luigi12_work> it should be as simple as updating tomcat5/6/7 to newest versions 19:47:26 <guillomovitch> removing it 19:47:27 <mitya> the license does allow redistribution of JRE (but not JDK) 19:47:32 <Luigi12_work> dmorgan said he'd work on it, hopefully he will 19:47:59 <Luigi12_work> the other packages on the security tracker I can do if nobody else does 19:48:09 <guillomovitch> we should cleanup those nasty java mandatory dependencies 19:48:19 <guillomovitch> and remove stuff we don't need 19:48:38 <Luigi12_work> I wish libreoffice didn't need tomcat too 19:48:44 <guillomovitch> it doesn't 19:48:52 <guillomovitch> some mysterious part of libreoffice 19:48:56 <guillomovitch> requries hsqdlb 19:49:02 <guillomovitch> wich requires servlet api 19:49:10 <guillomovitch> that's all 19:49:21 <Luigi12_work> yeah 19:49:49 <pterjan> mitya: really? aren't they both under Operating System Distribution License for Java ? 19:51:20 <guillomovitch> gajim, gnash and raptor have security issues too 19:51:25 <guillomovitch> :maint gajim 19:51:25 <Sophie> guillomovitch: For Mageia (gajim): misc 19:51:28 <guillomovitch> :maint gnash 19:51:28 <Sophie> guillomovitch: For Mageia (gnash): nobody 19:51:33 <guillomovitch> :maint raptor 19:51:33 <Sophie> guillomovitch: For Mageia (raptor): mikala 19:51:49 <mitya> "The Java(TM) Platform, Standard Edition Runtime Environment (JRE(TM)), excluding the JavaFX(TM) runtime, is intended for software developers and vendors to redistribute with their applications." (from the official README) 19:52:12 <Luigi12_work> to be fair, I only reported those three this week 19:52:15 <mitya> " Use and redistribution of the Java SE Runtime Environment is subject to the Oracle Binary Code License Agreement for the Java SE Platform Products." 19:52:42 <guillomovitch> and they should be easy to fix 19:52:49 <guillomovitch> the real issue is with java stuff 19:52:56 <guillomovitch> especially tomcat5 19:53:03 <Luigi12_work> yes 19:53:11 <guillomovitch> and how to handle the sun java issue 19:53:26 <guillomovitch> even if the license allows it 19:53:32 <guillomovitch> replacing a jdk by a jre 19:53:42 <sebsebseb> guillomovitch: I think handle that Java issue like Ubuntu does 19:53:42 <guillomovitch> is not really worth 19:53:47 <pterjan> mitya: as far as I remember this is the old licence, before they added the linux distro one, which needed approval to dsitribute it 19:53:57 <mitya> guillomovitch: probably, JRE can go to "non-free", while JDK lands in "tainted" 19:54:05 <pterjan> no 19:54:15 <guillomovitch> we can live without sun jdk 19:54:50 <sebsebseb> mitya: no for some reason apparnatly Java can't be put into distro repos anymore or something, because of the lisence 19:54:52 <Luigi12_work> tainted isn't for bad licenses 19:55:26 <sebsebseb> mitya: users must instead download directly from Oracale that want it, or something like that 19:55:26 <guillomovitch> :maint libreoffice 19:55:26 <Sophie> guillomovitch: For Mageia (libreoffice): dmorgan 19:55:33 <guillomovitch> ah, the java guy... 19:55:42 <pterjan> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/index.html 19:55:43 <erzulie> [ BCL For Java SE ] 19:56:03 <guillomovitch> I'm going to leave soon 19:56:04 <Luigi12_work> I think he's been really busy the last two months 19:56:12 <guillomovitch> yes 19:56:18 <pterjan> (i) you distribute the Software complete and unmodified and only bundled as part of, and for the sole purpose of running, your Programs 19:56:31 <guillomovitch> but that's my point: we can't afford housing hundred of java stuff 19:56:37 <guillomovitch> with only one guy to manage them 19:56:45 <guillomovitch> we should make some cuts 19:56:55 <Luigi12_work> yeah I don't think it's all needed 19:57:09 <Luigi12_work> of course we have lots of PHP stuff with no maintainer currently :o( 19:57:18 <guillomovitch> all my bugs about excessive runtime dependencies have been ignored sofar... 19:57:26 <pterjan> mitya: we are only allowed to bundle jre with our java software (+other restrictions like the countries were we export it) and only to run our software 19:57:39 <guillomovitch> OK, I volonteer for having this java-security-issues specific discussion on -dev 19:57:40 <sebsebseb> provide the OpenJDK or whatever it's called, and make it clear to users that if they want Sun/Oracale Java, they must get it themselves from the Oracale website, I guess that's what should be done really 19:57:49 <Luigi12_work> guillomovitch: sure 19:58:10 <guillomovitch> meaning the 4 first bugs from the security tracker 19:58:18 <ennael> well we could first ask dmorgan about all this and see if there is a possibility for a java team 19:58:29 <ennael> before cleaning all this 19:58:36 <Luigi12_work> dmorgan wanted to build a java team and was mentoring packagers hoping to do this 19:58:37 * coling uses a lot of the PHP stuff for $dayjob but I can't really afford the time to take over maintenance :( 19:58:43 <Luigi12_work> then he got really busy (I guess with work) 19:58:49 <Luigi12_work> so it didn't really happen 19:58:58 <ennael> ok I will ask him 19:58:58 <guillomovitch> of course, I don't intend to exclude him from the discussion 19:59:10 <guillomovitch> just give some facts 19:59:43 <ennael> #action start discussion about java packages: keep all of them or drop some of them, java team, ... 19:59:44 <guillomovitch> what are the other blocker bugs ? 20:00:07 <ennael> we found 2 nasty bugs during isos tests 20:00:44 <ennael> #55426 20:00:46 <ennael> oups 20:00:50 <ennael> #5426 20:02:05 <bmahe> hola 20:02:06 <bmahe> hold on 20:02:30 <bmahe> ennael, what do you mean by "start discussion about java packages: keep all of them or drop some of them, java team, ..." ? 20:02:48 <ennael> basically we miss regular updates on all these 20:02:56 <ennael> only one guy working on it (dmorgan) 20:03:10 <ennael> so either we find people to help or we will have to drop some of these packages 20:03:20 <ennael> want to volonteer ? :) 20:03:30 <bmahe> I want to, and even tried to 20:03:40 <bmahe> but my lack of time prevented me to 20:04:00 <bmahe> but I need the java stuff to support Mageia in hadoop land 20:04:15 <Luigi12_work> bmahe: you were one of dmorgan's mentees yes? 20:04:22 <bmahe> no 20:04:23 <ennael> well we would like too but it needs volunteers 20:04:35 <ennael> anyway we will start discussion on it 20:04:41 <ennael> we may not find a solution tonight :) 20:04:50 <bmahe> indeed 20:05:13 <ennael> we still have https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5330 20:05:15 <erzulie> [ Bug 5330 - When entering encryption key for an encryped LVM in the installer, it does not show the VGs within it. ] 20:05:19 <mitya> I'm using Tomcat actively in my business, so I probably could do something 20:05:20 <ennael> coling is on it 20:05:37 * coling isn't really doing anythin on it 20:05:47 <coling> I was quietly hoping pterjan would fix it :D 20:05:58 <pterjan> me too 20:06:01 <ennael> oh :) 20:06:02 <Luigi12_work> mitya: that would be nice. Basically tomcat5/6/7 need updated to fix security issues, and apparently QA found some more issues with tomcat5's package 20:06:08 <coling> (as I don't really know the diskdrak code) 20:06:14 <guillomovitch> let's pretend than some US law prevent disk encryption 20:06:17 <ennael> waiting for each oither :) 20:06:28 <pterjan> no no waiting for myself :) 20:06:33 <guillomovitch> and than we can't support this feature 20:06:46 <coling> pterjan, so can I assing to you? 20:06:49 <coling> erm 20:06:49 <pterjan> yes 20:06:55 <coling> that sounded bad :D 20:06:59 <coling> assign is better 20:07:03 <ennael> :) 20:07:04 <Luigi12_work> coling will assing you a song 20:07:05 <pterjan> I have created a vm to reproduce it 20:07:23 <coling> The songs I sing with my ass don't smell too good. 20:07:25 <ennael> #action pterjan will work on #5330 20:07:30 <ennael> outch 20:08:21 <ennael> #5404 20:08:25 <guillomovitch> #fortune 20:08:29 <ennael> :) 20:08:35 <guillomovitch> too bas it's not implemented yet 20:09:10 <mitya> Luigi12_work: do we need to keep all the three versions of Tomcat in parallel? 20:09:19 <guillomovitch> 3 ? 20:09:23 <ennael> mitya: please 20:09:24 <pterjan> mitya: that's part of the discussion of dropping some packages 20:09:35 <pterjan> that will be started soon 20:09:37 <mitya> ok, sorry 20:09:39 <ennael> can we focus on this later not end meeting after midnight 20:09:42 <ennael> :) 20:10:01 <mitya> (it's midnight in Moscow already :) 20:10:20 <sebsebseb> mitya: 01:10 ? 20:10:39 <guillomovitch> so, just two blocker bugs left ? 20:10:59 * leuhmanu will maybe add one or two more 20:11:05 <mitya> sebsebseb: 00:11 20:11:20 <ennael> then https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4364 20:11:22 <erzulie> [ Bug 4364 - If I change my bios setting from IDE to AHCI, I can't boot as dracut can't find my device (sdX) ] 20:11:40 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4696 20:11:42 <erzulie> [ Bug 4696 - Install freeze after licence acceptation (system without floppy disk in the drive) (error I/O fd0) ] 20:12:09 <tmb> for 4364 we can make dracut always include it. 20:12:19 <coling> Yeah, that was my suggestion. 20:12:27 <coling> I was waiting for coincoin to test. 20:12:33 <coling> or rather confirm. 20:12:41 <coling> I tested in Virtualbox 20:12:49 <coling> So it seemed to work for me. 20:12:49 <tmb> for 4696 I will do like redhat and disable floppy autoloading 20:13:01 <tmb> (unless someone objects) 20:13:18 <guillomovitch> well, this is quite similar to 'if I change my harddrive, I can't boot anymore' 20:13:20 * coling would just disable floppy completely... :p 20:13:44 <tmb> coling: well, there is still some floppy users :) 20:13:59 <ennael> so basically we have solutions for both ? 20:14:01 <pterjan> guillomovitch: except that this one require no physical change 20:14:05 <coling> guillomovitch, yeah, but as it's just a bios option it's a bit more surprising for it to break. It shouldn't be hard to support. 20:14:24 <coling> And also the installer technically now generates such an initrd. 20:14:36 <coling> Because the modules are loaded at the time the initrd is generated. 20:14:40 <jcapik1> Good evening. 20:14:44 <obgr_seneca> ennael: anything broken till now? 20:14:52 <guillomovitch> userproof-initrd.img 20:14:56 <ennael> :) 20:15:13 <ennael> coling, tmb : can we then validate solutions for these bugs 20:15:29 <coling> ennael, like I say I was waiting for coincoin to confirm on his hardware. 20:15:38 <ennael> ok I will slaps him 20:15:42 <coling> He did say he'd test it when we chatted on IRC :) 20:15:42 <tmb> imho yes 20:16:15 <coling> But I'd be tempted to just make the change anyway and then if there is some fundamental problem I can't htink of, revert it later. It's highly likely it'll be fine IMO. 20:16:31 <coling> Incidentally tmb, I did find some fallout from kmod Ithink. 20:16:39 <ennael> ok anything else on yep let's do that 20:16:42 <guillomovitch> I always have the same excuse for every single commit I make 20:16:54 <tmb> coling: what? 20:16:54 <ennael> and I will threaten coincoin so that tests are done 20:17:16 <coling> tmb but I'm not 100% certain it was caused by it. Basically some modprobe rules using --first-time didn't behave exactly the same. 20:17:33 <obgr_seneca> ennael: you should go searching for some antimatter, no traces left :D 20:17:46 <coling> tmb I've fixed the problems for now, but there could be others lurking in there. I don't think it's a major problem tho'. 20:17:49 * coling looks for the bug number 20:17:50 <ennael> obgr_seneca: I guess so 20:17:58 <Luigi12_work> ennael: can you threaten coincoin so he finishes security updates for wordpress and ocsinventory on Mageia 1? :o) 20:18:10 <guillomovitch> ocsinventory... 20:18:22 <ennael> guillomovitch: don't feed the troll 20:18:23 <coling> tmb: FYI https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5329 (the interesting bits are problem around comment 30) 20:18:26 <erzulie> [ Bug 5329 - Soundcard doesn't work after latest update ] 20:18:39 <guillomovitch> this is just an SQL injection traning target 20:18:52 <coling> :) 20:19:00 <ennael> ok anything else to add on release blocker bugs ? 20:19:16 <jcapik1> Has anybody seen dmorgan recently? 20:19:31 <Luigi12_work> ooh sound broke on my VM at home when I updated this weekend, wonder if it's related 20:19:32 <guillomovitch> he posted on -dev recently 20:19:34 <pterjan> ennael: what is the prize for closing one ? 20:19:43 <coling> jcapik1, spoken to him a few times on IRC yeah. 20:19:50 <ennael> pterjan: a night with U...y 20:19:55 <pterjan> :( 20:19:56 <jcapik1> coling: thx ... 20:20:02 * pterjan reassigns then 20:20:05 <ennael> of maybe coling :) 20:20:18 <ennael> he seems to have nice music to share 20:20:31 <Luigi12_work> cool :o) 20:20:39 <ennael> ok 20:20:42 <coling> Luigi12_work, this only applied to non-pulseaudio setups. Alsa modules not being loaded. 20:20:51 <ennael> canwe switch topic ? 20:20:54 <tmb> coling: ok, I'll check with upstream on that 20:21:15 <pterjan> ennael: you can do it 20:21:29 <ennael> #topic release freeze 20:21:35 <coling> tmb, cool. It only happens when multiple sound cards are needed. 20:21:42 <coling> s/needed/used/ 20:21:57 <Luigi12_work> coling: I have pulseaudio disabld on my VM, but even enabling it didn't fix it 20:22:00 <ennael> release freeze is planned for 2012 Apr. 23rd 20:22:11 <pterjan> Monday 20:22:23 <Luigi12_work> wow 20:22:23 <ennael> which is very short now 20:22:41 <ennael> it does not mean we will not be able to push updates 20:22:52 <tmb> but we will be picky 20:22:57 <ennael> but you will have to ask on -dev giving good reasnons for it 20:23:09 <guillomovitch> the same as usual ? 20:23:13 <guillomovitch> or real reasons ? 20:23:14 <pterjan> better to fix all lsb initscripts now if you don't want to have 50 requests :P 20:23:22 <sebsebseb> guillomovitch: heh heh 20:23:23 <coling> so "snd" was a dep of both, and because the first driver i.e. snd-hda-intel loaded snd as a dep then all was well, but when the second card, snd-usb-audio was inserted it tried to load snd as a dep (even tho' it's already loaded) and then it failed due to the --first-time and that seemed to prevent snd-usb-audio loadeing.... at least that's my analysis. I could be wrong. 20:23:31 <Luigi12_work> guess I better try to do some security fixes this weekend 20:23:31 <coling> tmb ^^ 20:23:47 <ennael> guillomovitch: beer is not a good reason 20:24:10 <pterjan> armagnac? 20:24:14 <coling> :) 20:24:16 <ennael> we can speak 20:24:19 <ennael> hum 20:24:44 <ennael> anything else on that topic ? 20:24:46 <ennael> (short one) 20:24:54 <tmb> yep 20:25:08 <ennael> #info release freeze is planned for 2012 Apr. 23rd 20:25:19 <ennael> tmb: want to add something ? 20:25:28 * coling has a small request regarding a new version..... I can understand if it's vetoed, but I have to try... mythtv. It's a very leaf package but I'd like to include the new version (>500 days since last release!) 20:25:51 <tmb> dont commit anything extra to svn after release freeze unless absolutely necessary... as it should match final mirrors 20:26:04 <coling> I'd like Anssi's approval specifically tho'. And I won't mind if people think this is a bad idea. 20:26:14 <ennael> #info dont commit anything extra to svn after release freeze unless absolutely necessary... as it should match final mirrors 20:26:25 <ennael> coling: can you mail -dev? 20:26:31 <coling> ennael, yup I will. 20:26:34 <ennael> thanks 20:26:35 <tmb> so please disable "automatic update scripts" when we hit release freeze 20:26:42 <boklm> tmb: we can diff current and pristine directories to check that nothing was committed unsubitted 20:27:18 <ennael> boklm: how could we use that ? 20:27:20 <tmb> boklm: true, but good to think twice anyway before committing 20:27:21 <Luigi12_work> tmb: shouldn't the /updates/2 SVN be generated from the SRPMS so it does match exactly? 20:28:01 <tmb> Luigi12: no, you loose commit history 20:28:13 <Luigi12_work> tmb /updates/1 SVN doesn't have commit history already 20:28:28 <boklm> /updates/1 has commit history 20:28:49 <Luigi12_work> no, they all start with "copied to updates" or something like that, no history before that 20:28:50 <pterjan> It should be generated from the release dir, not current 20:29:04 <Luigi12_work> pterjan: oh is the release dir made by schedbot? 20:29:05 <boklm> Luigi12_work: they have history before that 20:29:17 <Luigi12_work> boklm: not according to viewvc... 20:29:29 <boklm> I can make a script to copy each package using revision from pristine directory 20:29:38 <Luigi12_work> ok 20:30:03 <leuhmanu> http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/1/firefox/current/SPECS/firefox.spec?view=log here it works 20:30:06 <erzulie> [ [packages] Log of /updates/1/firefox/current/SPECS/firefox.spec ] 20:30:10 <pterjan> Original Path: cauldron/rpm/current/SPECS/rpm.spec 20:30:18 <pterjan> Luigi12_work: click on the link 20:30:27 <pterjan> to get to the path before copy 20:30:40 <pterjan> ah no 20:30:46 <pterjan> actually it diaplays it all :) 20:30:54 <pterjan> http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/1/rpm/current/SPECS/rpm.spec?view=log 20:30:55 <erzulie> [ [packages] Log of /updates/1/rpm/current/SPECS/rpm.spec ] 20:30:59 <guillomovitch> what's left on the agenda ? 20:31:33 <tmb> beta3 tests 20:32:02 <ennael> #topic beta 3 tests 20:32:06 * ennael was sleeping 20:32:10 <ennael> so 20:32:22 <ennael> we do need tests on this especially on live CDs 20:32:43 <ennael> on DVD side, please check installer and content 20:32:52 <ennael> we do have some space left, 500Mo 20:33:06 <sebsebseb> For the Live CD's, how should they be tested? 20:33:09 <ennael> but it's not christmas so please post on -dev for any demand 20:33:24 <ennael> tmb: about live cds, any specific request for tests ? 20:33:39 <pterjan> we need toilet on dvd ! 20:33:53 <tmb> pterjan: thats the hole in the middle 20:33:55 <ennael> #info DVDs tests focus on installer and content (500Mo unused) 20:33:55 <pterjan> :size toilet 20:33:58 <pterjan> tmb: :) 20:34:03 <ennael> outch second fortune 20:34:10 <guillomovitch> pterjan: that could be the price for closing blocker bugs 20:34:11 <ennael> we need to implement #fortune 20:34:17 <ennael> guillomovitch: :) 20:35:35 <tmb> as for livecds, test on as much hw as you can, look for missing packages (but note that adding one package might mean dropping another) 20:35:52 <sebsebseb> I'll test on three computers here :D. 20:35:56 <guillomovitch> even cowsay ? 20:36:04 <ennael> (see lives are much less fun than dvd :) ) 20:36:41 <ennael> #info live CDs test: focus on hardware tests, missing packages (note that adding one package might mean dropping another) 20:36:52 <ennael> anything else ? 20:36:59 <guillomovitch> hungry... 20:37:12 <leuhmanu> 22:33 < ennael> but it's not christmas so please post on -dev for any demand 20:37:21 <sebsebseb> guillomovitch: yeah I could do with food as well :D. 20:37:21 <leuhmanu> nothin in the bugzilla ? 20:37:23 <leuhmanu> +g 20:37:46 <ennael> I will open a bug adding all packages on which we agree 20:37:52 <tmb> leuhmanu: (it's spelled G+) 20:37:55 <ennael> otherwise bug report will be 10 pages long 20:38:11 <ennael> tmb: secondary effects of live CDs ? :) 20:38:28 <tmb> :) 20:38:35 <ennael> leuhmanu: will post on -dev for it 20:38:45 <leuhmanu> okokoké 20:38:49 <ennael> can we close that meeting ? 20:38:53 <guillomovitch> yes 20:38:57 <ennael> coincoin: you are a dead duck 20:39:02 <ennael> #endmeeting