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19:17:38 <ennael> #topic  vote result for packagers representatives
19:17:51 <ennael> so here are the results:
19:17:58 <ennael> https://epoll.mageia.org/vote/5RcQj4Ij
19:17:59 <erzulie> [ Epoll: Packagers representatives - 2012 ]
19:18:21 <remmy> Congrats all elected :)
19:18:59 <ennael> your hell is starting now :)
19:19:02 <remmy> Not a high turn out :(
19:19:18 <Luigi12_work> a lot of the eligible voters are no longer with us really
19:19:35 <ennael> well at least we had a formal process now people cannot complain if they did not participate
19:19:47 <ennael> questions ?
19:19:52 <Luigi12_work> nope
19:20:03 <ennael> ok
19:20:06 <ennael> #topic review of planning for mageia 2 + release_blocker bugs
19:20:48 <ennael> ok so beta3 is planned for saturday
19:20:49 <remmy> For a future meeting, we should look at the "no longer with us" people, but after the release I guess.
19:20:56 <ennael> yep
19:21:23 <ennael> about the install media, work is in progress on live cds and this is going pretty well thanks to tmb
19:21:35 <ennael> tmb: want to sum up ?
19:22:19 <remmy> Thanks tmb :)
19:23:00 <tmb> not much to sum up, besides trying to fit KDE on 700M is "interesting"
19:23:08 <ennael> :)
19:23:15 <ennael> what the size at the moment ?
19:23:55 <tmb> well, after hitting telepathy-gabble problem, I'm now down to 300M :)
19:24:05 <ennael> ?
19:25:19 <tmb> well, since we block devel packgaes on livecds draklive drops most of the packages due to requires, so I need some stuff fixed ..
19:25:30 <ennael> oh ok
19:25:39 <ennael> any other blocking bug ?
19:26:39 <tmb> not really afaik... unless someone else can reproduce the livecd on usb bug
19:26:55 <ennael> ok
19:27:00 <remmy> I can test that on the weekend if no one else does
19:27:17 <ennael> we may need 1 or 2 days moire than expected
19:27:20 <ennael> DVD are ok
19:27:35 <ennael> dual is on the way but needs gfxboot to be finalized
19:28:18 <ennael> as artwork was delivered rather late, just discover that gfxboot update breaks gfxboot theme
19:28:24 <ennael> so working on it
19:28:40 <ennael> it will need also some modifications in drakx
19:28:55 <ennael> and it would be nice to have it for beta3 to finalize tests
19:29:12 <ennael> plymouth theme is also on the way and should be delivered tomorrow
19:29:37 <remmy> Looks like beta3 was the right decision to do :)
19:29:48 <ennael> yep :)
19:29:48 <Luigi12_work> indeed
19:29:59 <ennael> on release_blocker bugs
19:30:23 <ennael> coling discovered a nasty bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5330
19:30:25 <erzulie> [ Bug 5330 - When entering encryption key for an encryped LVM in the installer, it does not show the VGs within it. ]
19:30:59 <ennael> on the other side systemd is rather in a good shape
19:31:10 <ennael> at least all blocking one are fixed
19:31:14 <leuhmanu> oups miss this one
19:31:51 <ennael> tmb: we still have this one https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1812
19:31:52 <erzulie> [ Bug 1812 - Closing an "Advanced settings" window during live-install quits the installer without warning ]
19:32:01 <ennael> for live cds, maybe blino can also give a hand on it
19:33:08 <remmy> If we can't fix 5330 in time, maybe we can put a warning in release notes? The use case seems limited to me at first sight.
19:33:34 <tmb> ennael: ok
19:33:41 <ennael> the thing is user can loose data
19:34:00 <Luigi12_work> plus if it's something that can't be fixed after the release, that wouldn't be good
19:34:07 <ennael> yep
19:34:14 <ennael> coling is having a look
19:35:11 <ennael> we still have some discussion to close so that we can also close some bugs
19:35:18 <ennael> will be done in coming days on -dev ML
19:36:45 <ennael> now upgrade from Mageia 1
19:36:47 <ennael> coincoin: ?
19:37:38 <coincoin> yes
19:37:50 <coincoin> so, QA is working on 1 > 2 upgrades
19:38:27 <coincoin> for now, no big issues with sysvinit > systemd (all seem to work as expected, old bugs fixed thanks to coling and dmorgan)
19:38:51 <coincoin> for now, we are focusing on upgrading KDE and GNOME
19:39:22 <coincoin> I know that david is working on KDE and said that there were no big bugs
19:39:23 <AL13N> btw: can someone look at the freeze pushes?
19:39:35 <ennael> AL13N: please after meeting
19:39:38 <coincoin> we are opening bug request for reach bug encountered
19:39:55 <Luigi12_work> well there is one big bug with KDE, but no major packaging problems
19:40:05 <AL13N> coincoin: is there a tracker for this?
19:40:14 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3342
19:40:16 <coincoin> AL13N: yes
19:40:16 <erzulie> [ Bug 3342 - [Tracker] Upgrade Mga 1 > Mga 2 ]
19:40:22 <AL13N> thx
19:40:52 <coincoin> the big part to test now is mga-applet
19:41:17 <Luigi12_work> oh when it popped up its notification today the button was tiny
19:41:37 <Luigi12_work> then it didn't work I think
19:41:55 <AL13N> maybe it's related to the regular update button being too small as well in cauldron
19:42:09 <Luigi12_work> yeah I meant cauldron
19:42:42 <Luigi12_work> is there an existing bug for this?
19:43:13 <coincoin> nothing special to add for now on this point. we will see tomorrow during the QA meeting if we have new issues
19:43:32 <Luigi12_work> upgrade testing in general has been very smooth
19:44:02 <ennael> coincoin: please let us now on -dev
19:44:05 <coincoin> ok
19:44:09 <ennael> thanks
19:44:24 <ennael> anything else to add ?
19:45:04 <Luigi12_work> don't think so
19:45:18 <coincoin> non
19:45:22 <coincoin> niet
19:45:29 <ennael> ok
19:45:33 <remmy> Luigi12_work: Thanks for the security bugs tracking
19:45:41 <Luigi12_work> remmy: you bet :o)
19:45:54 <Luigi12_work> I can give an update on that BTW
19:45:59 <ennael> given the fact we don't have a lot of people tonight we will postpone mentoring topic to another meeting
19:46:12 <AL13N> k
19:46:20 <Luigi12_work> ok, I just hope people looking for mentors don't lose interest
19:46:27 <Luigi12_work> we probably can't take them on until after mga2
19:46:28 <AL13N> does this mean the meeting is over? or is there another topic?
19:46:33 <ennael> oups
19:46:38 <remmy> It would be nice if the mentoring coordinator(s) can perhaps post an update the coming week
19:46:41 <Luigi12_work> I'd like to give a quick update on security
19:46:48 <ennael> 21:44 < ennael> coincoin: please let us now on -dev
19:46:57 <ennael> coincoin: please let us know on -dev
19:47:01 <ennael> sorry coincoin :)
19:47:01 <AL13N> :)
19:47:07 <coincoin> :)
19:47:13 <coincoin> I'll be back
19:47:14 <remmy> As I saw people take themselves off the list after being on the "looking for a mentor" list for months, I am somewhat concerned.
19:47:15 <ennael> Luigi12_work: ok go for it
19:47:30 <Luigi12_work> remmy: yikes :o(
19:47:31 <Luigi12_work> thanks ennael
19:47:47 <Luigi12_work> for Mageia 2, we are in good shape security-wise.  The only remaining bugs are for java and tomcat.
19:48:05 <Luigi12_work> These are both dmorgan packages, although the tomcat packages are technically unmaintained.
19:48:25 <ennael> maybe dwalluck can give a hand :)
19:48:31 <Luigi12_work> The java security bug is pretty serious (although mitigated a bit by the fact that our web applet uses 1.6.0 which has been fixed, rather than 1.7.0 which has not)
19:48:42 <Luigi12_work> so yes, if anyone has the know-how to help, it would be really good.  I think dmorgan is still too busy.
19:48:54 <remmy> Luigi12_work: Are we doing better than Apple though?
19:49:00 <Luigi12_work> I don't know how serious the tomcat security issues are, but they've been present a long time.
19:49:10 <ennael> Luigi12_work: can you mail -dev about that one ?
19:49:12 <Luigi12_work> remmy: it took us two months to get the java update out for Mageia 1, so I don't know...
19:49:17 <Luigi12_work> ennael: sure
19:49:21 <ennael> thanks
19:49:27 <remmy> Luigi12_work: They took 7 months or so
19:49:33 <Luigi12_work> for Mageia 1, I have some concerns about our QA process and wanted to ask a question about it
19:49:42 <leuhmanu> (and the eclipse bug in mageia 1 is also now an old one, blocker for firefox10)
19:49:54 <ennael> Luigi12_work: yep ?
19:50:00 <Luigi12_work> leuhmanu: yes we could use some help closing that one
19:50:08 <ennael> leuhmanu: mail -dev please
19:50:20 <leuhmanu> well...
19:50:34 <Luigi12_work> ok, so basically we have one "full-time" QA person, so to speak, and looks like one new guy chipping in here and there.  leuhmanu also helped a bunch yesterday.
19:50:51 <Luigi12_work> our one full-time person is i586 only, and cannot test packages that uses heavy graphics (like games and blender)
19:51:12 <Luigi12_work> so I noticed that in Fedora, they have a policy that if a packager submits an update, after one week if there are no objections, they can have it pushed
19:51:29 <Luigi12_work> I think doing the exact same wouldn't be good for us, with our limited resources, but I have an idea
19:51:30 <ennael> without any test ?
19:51:32 <leuhmanu> (seems claire is away)
19:51:38 <Luigi12_work> that's what I was getting to
19:52:13 <Luigi12_work> maybe we could do something similar, but it'd have to be at least two weeks, and the packager would have to have tested it at the very least
19:52:39 <ennael> can you write a proposal for -dev then we can adjust it.
19:52:40 <ennael> ?
19:52:48 <Luigi12_work> ennael: sure
19:52:57 <Luigi12_work> leuhmanu: I'm not sure she's coming back
19:53:32 <ennael> anything else to add?
19:53:40 <Luigi12_work> guess that's all I have
19:54:27 <coincoin> Luigi12_work: how being sure the packager tested it?... :/
19:54:41 <Luigi12_work> wow a lot of PMs all of a sudden, I'll address those after the meeting
19:54:55 <Luigi12_work> coincoin: there's no way to be "sure" but basically we'd have to trust packagers to not abuse it
19:54:58 <ennael> we will work on mentoring with guillomovitch and boklm after beta3 is out
19:55:54 <ennael> anything else for that meeting ?
19:56:05 <remmy> Where are they anyways? Celebrating their appointment with a bottle? :)
19:56:05 <Luigi12_work> not from me
19:56:25 <ennael> remmy: not available tonight :)
19:56:39 <ennael> ok let's close meeting then
19:56:43 <AL13N> k
19:56:47 <remmy> Thanks all :)
19:56:47 <ennael> oh btw
19:56:48 <AL13N> short meeting
19:56:52 <remmy> Thanks ennael for chairing
19:57:03 <ennael> we may also ask again about the day for this daily meeting
19:57:09 <remmy> AL13N: That's what we get when no one is here :)
19:57:18 <ennael> looks like wednesday is a pb for some people
19:57:30 <AL13N> maybe it's just about easter holidays
19:57:30 <Luigi12_work> AL13N: wasn't there something you wanted to bring up?
19:57:40 <ennael> ok thanks guys
19:57:41 <AL13N> Luigi12_work: i don't remember
19:57:44 <coincoin> thank you people
19:57:44 <ennael> #endmeeting