20:04:16 <ennael> #startmeeting 20:04:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Wed Mar 7 20:04:16 2012 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:04:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:17 <erzulie> [ MeetBot - Debian Wiki ] 20:04:44 <ennael> #topic Organize version freeze (packagers) 20:05:01 <ennael> ok did everybody read the mail about versions freeze 20:05:06 <ennael> ? 20:05:35 <coincoin> hi 20:05:48 <Anssi> yep 20:05:50 <Stormi> yes 20:05:55 <grenoya> yes 20:05:59 <ennael> is it clear enough ? questions ? 20:06:11 <shadow95> yes 20:06:19 <ennael> shoot 20:06:35 <rindolf> ennael: which E-mail? 20:07:07 <ennael> Version freeze: 2012/03/07 20:07:43 <shadow95> may be an updater to an version RC, to RC2 or Release on Freeze ? 20:07:59 <ennael> that was included indeed 20:08:08 <ryoshu> ennael: after the meeting? I'm building locally kadu 0.11.1 :) 20:08:35 <ennael> so yes freeze will happen just after the meeting 20:09:01 <rindolf> ennael: OK, read it now. 20:09:02 * AL13N slashes whip in ryoshu 's direction 20:09:22 <ryoshu> :) 20:09:29 <ennael> any question on this ? 20:10:45 <Remmy> Not here. 20:11:47 <ennael> so focus should be now on improving integration, cleaning, fixing bugs 20:11:59 <misc> (polish) 20:12:08 <ennael> as a reminder we still need feedbacks on https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cleaning_rpmsrate 20:12:10 <erzulie> [ Cleaning rpmsrate - Mageia wiki ] 20:13:45 <mitya> ennael: if a package simply doesn't build now, and I'll fix it soon (without version change) - any chances to have it included in the distro? 20:14:10 <ennael> this is not version update but release update 20:14:24 <rindolf> ennael: this page should explain what it is about in the top. 20:14:25 <Remmy> That page means nothing to me -- prolly my ignorance -- but what is that about? 20:14:42 <ennael> there was a mail on -dev about this 20:15:01 <ennael> rpmsrate cleaning 20:15:16 <AL13N> i guess it's for people who know what this file does 20:15:18 <ryoshu> ennael: what about news packages, are they allowed? sorry if this was in a mail 20:15:26 <ryoshu> ennael: new* packages 20:17:20 <Anssi> they've been allowed in the past at least 20:17:29 <ennael> yep 20:18:27 <misc> ( of course, we already said "focus on bugfixes", but I guess that's not as fun ) 20:18:40 <ennael> ;) 20:18:57 <ennael> check also http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/ 20:18:57 <erzulie> [ QA global report ] 20:19:17 <ennael> triage team guys around ? 20:19:34 <leuhmanu> yep 20:20:44 <misc> leuhmanu: need some blockers ( bugs, etc ) ? 20:21:03 <ennael> could we have review by mail about meta bugs? 20:21:14 <ennael> systemd, dracut, oxygen and co 20:22:14 <ennael> also we need now to review all these and check release_blocker one 20:22:30 <leuhmanu> https://bugs.mageia.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1994&hide_resolved=1 20:22:32 <erzulie> [ Dependency tree for Bug 1994 ] 20:22:38 <leuhmanu> some are not really used 20:22:59 <AL13N> ennael: what about text installer that does not work at all? 20:23:07 <leuhmanu> and I wanted to send a mail to ask how we can determine what is a blocker bugs 20:23:26 <ennael> ok 20:23:39 <ennael> AL13N: we do not have time tonight to review all of them 20:23:40 <leuhmanu> (since I don't really know) 20:23:49 <ennael> you should send an email on -dev 20:24:18 <leuhmanu> https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?priority=release_blocker&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED list of currently blockers 20:24:20 <erzulie> [ Bug List ] 20:24:57 <leuhmanu> I will ask tomorrow then 20:25:09 <ennael> you should send an email on -dev => AL13N 20:25:20 <misc> AL13N: titi fixed it 20:25:56 <AL13N> misc: not according to https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4724 20:25:58 <erzulie> [ Bug 4724 - text installer segfaults since switching from perl-5.12.x to 5.14.x ] 20:26:10 <leuhmanu> AL13N: wip ;) 20:26:32 <leuhmanu> and it's set in release_blocker 20:26:36 <AL13N> i know 20:26:46 <AL13N> i set it as release_blocker 20:27:08 <AL13N> i wanted to know if we should just disable the whole thing 20:27:16 <AL13N> but not in this meeting, i guess 20:27:35 <ennael> yes please 20:27:39 <ennael> mail on -dev :) 20:27:48 <AL13N> (i wanted to bugtest a few text-installer bugs, but it's been non working for months likely) 20:29:16 <ryoshu> ennael: I have a favour to ask you to make wifi problems a blocker of the release, there are conflicts and wpa_supplicant isn't working for me 20:29:32 <ennael> please mail -dev :) 20:30:36 <ennael> anything else ? 20:30:41 <AL13N> next 20:31:20 <ennael> #topic Organize freeze with other teams 20:31:43 <ennael> ok freezes will happen also soon for i18n and artwork 20:31:43 <ryoshu> yes 20:31:58 <sebsebseb> yep 20:32:00 <ennael> it would be nice to have packagers helping to integrate last changes 20:32:14 <ennael> I mean follow it and push updates 20:32:33 <ennael> so that everything is ready on time 20:33:02 <ryoshu> there is a freeze for i18n, is then a version bump allowed of our software? 20:33:37 <ennael> yep 20:33:47 <ennael> also there is a big work in progress with docteam 20:33:48 <ryoshu> ennael: thank you 20:33:54 <ennael> and they may be late also 20:34:13 <ryoshu> docteam is hardworking on the installer 20:34:19 <ennael> yep 20:34:35 <ennael> so any volunteer to help docteam, i18n and artwork ? 20:34:50 <rindolf> ennael: I guess I can try. 20:34:57 <rindolf> ennael: but I have a day job. 20:35:03 <ennael> really ? :) 20:35:21 <ryoshu> rindolf: for doc contact marja, for i18n obgr_seneca 20:35:27 <obgr_seneca> if you want i18n look here: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/I18n_teams 20:35:28 <erzulie> [ I18n teams - Mageia wiki ] 20:35:32 <rindolf> ryoshu: OK. 20:35:33 <sebsebseb> ryoshu: for artwork contact Max 20:35:36 <obgr_seneca> and contact the respective language team leaders 20:35:50 <sebsebseb> uh for rindolf ^ 20:35:59 <rindolf> sebsebseb: OK. 20:37:10 <rindolf> ryoshu, sebsebseb: thanks. 20:37:19 <ennael> anything else ? 20:37:24 <marja> rindolf: if you'd like to help with the help texts in installer, join #mageia-doc and look at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Help_buttons_in_DrakX-installer_Configuration_section 20:37:25 <rindolf> OK, I'll put it on my TODO list. 20:37:25 <erzulie> [ Help buttons in DrakX-installer Configuration section - Mageia wiki ] 20:37:26 <sebsebseb> rindolf: no problem :) 20:37:39 <marja> ouch 20:37:45 <marja> rindolf: wrong link 20:38:01 <marja> rindolf: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Help_buttons_in_DrakX-installer 20:38:02 <erzulie> [ Help buttons in DrakX-installer - Mageia wiki ] 20:38:10 <sebsebseb> rindolf: oh I would suggest coming to the IRC channels #mageia-doc and #mageia-artwork and maybe even joining the mailing lists, if your going to try help the teams :) and yeah the i18n as well 20:38:13 <ennael> anything else ? 20:38:39 <marja> rindolf: the other page belongs to it, too, the first contains more explanation ;) 20:38:53 <marja> s/first/second/ 20:38:57 <ryoshu> ennael: pleas add if you mean anything in a subject or in the meeting general :) 20:39:36 <ennael> #topic Beta 2 release 20:40:45 <ennael> so Beta 2 release is planned for 15th of march 20:40:49 <ennael> so in 1 week 20:40:56 <sebsebseb> :) 20:41:09 <ennael> isos build has started and qa will start tests tomorrow I think 20:41:33 <ennael> still no artwork but choice is on the way by council 20:41:44 <ennael> should be done in a few days 20:42:24 <AL13N> livemedia + dual arch cd? 20:42:50 <ennael> dual arch is on the way 20:43:01 <sebsebseb> ennael: there was someone who wanted to submit their wall paper as part of the contest, very soon after the deadline, not sure if they contacted you, but if not, I guess to late now 20:43:02 <ennael> still need some news from blino and tmb 20:43:16 <ennael> sebsebseb: too late ! 20:43:31 <Remmy> sebsebseb: There is always Mageia 3 :) 20:43:39 <sebsebseb> Remmy: yep :) 20:44:05 <sebsebseb> think they uploaded it onto flickr, someone who came to IRC, anyway yeah there will be Mageia 3 :) 20:44:08 <obgr_seneca> and if I ever find the one responsible for not setting a max number fo pictures for the art contest :/ 20:44:25 <ennael> obgr_seneca: :) 20:44:29 * Remmy hands obgr_seneca a box of matches 20:44:29 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: oh? a max number why? 20:44:42 <ennael> ok anything else on beta 2 ? 20:44:43 <ryoshu> :) 20:44:47 <Remmy> sebsebseb: So people don't submit 500 holiday pictures 20:44:54 <sebsebseb> Remmy: oh I hven't seen that 20:44:58 <sebsebseb> was a while since I last looked 20:45:11 <AL13N> lol 20:45:19 <sebsebseb> oh that was a joke? 20:45:33 <sebsebseb> more artwork to choose from the better I think :) 20:45:43 <obgr_seneca> on beta2: any coordination needed with trish/marcomm? 20:45:44 <ennael> guys ! 20:45:55 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: actually yes 20:45:56 <sebsebseb> I think 20:46:04 <sebsebseb> Trish was going to do the text for the new slide show images 20:46:12 <ennael> obgr_seneca: yep we will need to start nearly final release documentation for communication 20:46:12 <sebsebseb> ,but she hasn't emailed anything to the marcom mailing list about this yet 20:46:37 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: installer slide show images that is 20:46:48 <obgr_seneca> ennael: yep 20:47:00 <ennael> anything else ? 20:47:24 <obgr_seneca> one thing for all of us: 20:47:35 <obgr_seneca> please try and keep the release notes up to date 20:47:44 <ennael> yep 20:47:49 <ennael> we need updates for beta2 20:48:11 <obgr_seneca> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_beta1 20:48:12 <erzulie> [ Mageia 2 beta1 - Mageia wiki ] 20:48:21 <obgr_seneca> s/beta1/beta2/ 20:49:03 <ryoshu> obgr_seneca: ok, thanks! 20:50:52 <ennael> any other topic ? 20:50:56 <ennael> misc: ? 20:51:21 <leuhmanu> council election ? :) 20:51:31 <ennael> yep 20:51:43 <ennael> could we do it after beta2 ? 20:51:46 <Guest75027> what to do about unmaintained packages that aren't getting any love? 20:51:48 <misc> ennael: not from me, just want to confirm the list of people who can push new package 20:51:53 <ryoshu> ennael: I am just reporting that the spellchecker plan consolidation is mostly done :) 20:51:56 <sebsebseb> Who's Guest75027 ? 20:52:03 <ennael> please 20:52:06 <ennael> one at a time 20:52:11 * ennael slaps children 20:52:16 <AL13N> O_o 20:52:21 * misc call the cop 20:52:27 * AL13N agrees with misc 20:52:27 <ryoshu> :) 20:52:34 <ennael> so 20:52:43 <obgr_seneca> as long as she doesn't burn them 20:52:50 <ennael> council election next week, is it ok ? 20:53:06 <AL13N> do you mean the preparation? 20:53:10 <ennael> yep 20:53:13 <obgr_seneca> you mean packaging team leader/rep/whatever? 20:53:17 <ennael> yep 20:53:22 <obgr_seneca> ok with me 20:53:57 <ennael> ok others are sleeping, fine :) 20:54:10 <anaselli> are we going to vote as last time? 20:54:11 <ennael> about list of people allowed to push new versions 20:56:04 <ennael> misc: can you paste the list? 20:56:11 <AL13N> wasn't it in the email? 20:56:12 <ennael> can't find it 20:56:15 <coincoin> not the same as in the mail ? 20:56:17 <ennael> ah 20:56:28 * ennael was looking in meetbot... 20:57:12 <ennael> so 20:57:14 <ennael> - misc 20:57:14 <ennael> - ennael 20:57:14 <ennael> - tmb 20:57:14 <ennael> - anssi 20:57:16 <ennael> - boklm 20:57:37 <ennael> misc: we go for this list 20:57:44 <misc> ok 20:57:56 <misc> so let's call them "release_manager" :) 20:58:06 <Anssi> the list in the email seems rather short.. maybe e.g. blino,pterjan should be added (they were in the past I think).. or has this been already discussed? :) 20:58:13 <ennael> reminder: no alcohol nor money allowed to puch new version 20:58:29 <ennael> Anssi: well blino is hardly available 20:58:31 <Remmy> ennael: And a combination of the two? 20:58:32 <misc> Anssi: well, that was not discussed in time cause i forgot to send mail 20:58:36 <ennael> maybe pterjan 20:58:43 <Anssi> ennael: ah, ok then 20:58:46 <misc> Anssi: and so we cannot wait this time :/ 20:58:50 <ennael> Remmy: will not answer here :) 20:58:54 <misc> ( but we can change after ) 20:59:04 <ennael> yep let start with these 5 20:59:05 <AL13N> lol 20:59:13 <anaselli> ennael: in past a good wine was though... you're becoming ol....r :p 20:59:58 <ennael> misc: I guess we can freeze now 21:00:06 <AL13N> ryoshu: ping? 21:00:10 <ryoshu> AL13N: pong 21:00:12 <misc> ennael: let me just finish the doc :) 21:00:26 <AL13N> any other topic? 21:00:50 <ennael> not for me 21:01:43 <AL13N> i'm sure there is other stuff, but i forgot 21:02:20 <leuhmanu> - Mentoring progress 21:02:30 <AL13N> ah yes 21:02:37 * AL13N hides 21:02:41 <ennael> andre is not here 21:03:15 <Remmy> An update of the list on the wiki would be nice 21:03:27 <AL13N> what list? 21:03:33 <ryoshu> according to my datas we have 59 full packagers maintaining something 21:03:37 <Remmy> Of mentors and their trainees 21:03:47 <AL13N> ah yes 21:03:54 <AL13N> i noticed andre was less active then before 21:03:57 <leuhmanu> ,,wiki mentoring 21:03:58 <Magbot> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Mentor 21:03:59 <AL13N> bt there were iinm 2 other people 21:03:59 <erzulie> [ Becoming a Mageia Mentor - Mageia wiki ] 21:04:06 <AL13N> where are those 2 others? 21:04:15 <Remmy> AL13N: Yes, there are 21:04:19 <leuhmanu> (wrong link /o\) 21:04:33 <Remmy> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager 21:04:34 <ryoshu> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Absent @andre 21:04:35 <erzulie> [ Becoming a Mageia Packager - Mageia wiki ] 21:04:35 <erzulie> [ Absent - Mageia wiki ] 21:04:50 <AL13N> i'd like to have some kind of way to respond if someone wants to help 21:05:02 <AL13N> for now i direct them to wiki contributing in general 21:06:50 <obgr_seneca> we have http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/ 21:07:21 <AL13N> also another thing, but less urgent: is there any kind of financial overview after the costs and donations of FOSDEM? 21:07:53 <AL13N> coincoin: ping? how about you taking an treasurer apprentice/helper => grenoya? 21:08:11 <grenoya> lol ! 21:08:24 <coincoin> AL13N: it's dev meeting here ;) 21:08:27 <ennael> ok can we end meeting ? 21:08:30 <obgr_seneca> AL13N: not really nstuff for packager meeting is it? 21:08:39 <AL13N> ah right, not for this meeting k 21:08:43 <malo> I can help for the mentoring progress part, until Andre comes back, if needed 21:08:54 <ennael> malo: would be nice 21:09:32 <AL13N> i guess this is the end of meeting then, unless we're waiting on misc to finish document :-) 21:09:56 <Remmy> Let's freeze his document now 21:10:37 <AL13N> :) 21:11:06 <AL13N> Remmy: i think it's done, he's committing on puppet stuff atm :-) 21:11:25 <AL13N> version freeze preparation apparently 21:14:49 <sebsebseb> ok looks like the meeting can be closed 21:15:51 <ennael> ok we can close it 21:15:54 <ennael> #endmeeting