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20:04:44 <ennael> #topic Organize version freeze (packagers)
20:05:01 <ennael> ok did everybody read the mail about versions freeze
20:05:06 <ennael> ?
20:05:35 <coincoin> hi
20:05:48 <Anssi> yep
20:05:50 <Stormi> yes
20:05:55 <grenoya> yes
20:05:59 <ennael> is it clear enough ? questions ?
20:06:11 <shadow95> yes
20:06:19 <ennael> shoot
20:06:35 <rindolf> ennael: which E-mail?
20:07:07 <ennael> Version freeze: 2012/03/07
20:07:43 <shadow95> may be an updater to an version RC, to RC2 or Release on Freeze ?
20:07:59 <ennael> that was included indeed
20:08:08 <ryoshu> ennael: after the meeting? I'm building locally kadu 0.11.1 :)
20:08:35 <ennael> so yes freeze will happen just after the meeting
20:09:01 <rindolf> ennael: OK, read it now.
20:09:02 * AL13N slashes whip in ryoshu 's direction
20:09:22 <ryoshu> :)
20:09:29 <ennael> any question on this ?
20:10:45 <Remmy> Not here.
20:11:47 <ennael> so focus should be now on improving integration, cleaning, fixing bugs
20:11:59 <misc> (polish)
20:12:08 <ennael> as a reminder we still need feedbacks on https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cleaning_rpmsrate
20:12:10 <erzulie> [ Cleaning rpmsrate - Mageia wiki ]
20:13:45 <mitya> ennael: if a package simply doesn't build now, and I'll fix it soon (without version change) - any chances to have it included in the distro?
20:14:10 <ennael> this is not version update but release update
20:14:24 <rindolf> ennael: this page should explain what it is about in the top.
20:14:25 <Remmy> That page means nothing to me -- prolly my ignorance -- but what is that about?
20:14:42 <ennael> there was a mail on -dev about this
20:15:01 <ennael> rpmsrate cleaning
20:15:16 <AL13N> i guess it's for people who know what this file does
20:15:18 <ryoshu> ennael: what about news packages, are they allowed? sorry if this was in a mail
20:15:26 <ryoshu> ennael: new* packages
20:17:20 <Anssi> they've been allowed in the past at least
20:17:29 <ennael> yep
20:18:27 <misc> ( of course, we already said "focus on bugfixes", but I guess that's not as fun )
20:18:40 <ennael> ;)
20:18:57 <ennael> check also http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/
20:18:57 <erzulie> [ QA global report ]
20:19:17 <ennael> triage team guys around ?
20:19:34 <leuhmanu> yep
20:20:44 <misc> leuhmanu: need some blockers ( bugs, etc ) ?
20:21:03 <ennael> could we have review by mail about meta bugs?
20:21:14 <ennael> systemd, dracut, oxygen and co
20:22:14 <ennael> also we need now to review all these and check release_blocker one
20:22:30 <leuhmanu> https://bugs.mageia.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1994&hide_resolved=1
20:22:32 <erzulie> [ Dependency tree for Bug 1994 ]
20:22:38 <leuhmanu> some are not really used
20:22:59 <AL13N> ennael: what about text installer that does not work at all?
20:23:07 <leuhmanu> and I wanted to send a mail to ask how we can determine what is a blocker bugs
20:23:26 <ennael> ok
20:23:39 <ennael> AL13N: we do not have time tonight to review all of them
20:23:40 <leuhmanu> (since I don't really know)
20:23:49 <ennael> you should send an email on -dev
20:24:18 <leuhmanu> https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?priority=release_blocker&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED list of currently blockers
20:24:20 <erzulie> [ Bug List ]
20:24:57 <leuhmanu> I will ask tomorrow then
20:25:09 <ennael> you should send an email on -dev => AL13N
20:25:20 <misc> AL13N: titi fixed it
20:25:56 <AL13N> misc: not according to https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4724
20:25:58 <erzulie> [ Bug 4724 - text installer segfaults since switching from perl-5.12.x to 5.14.x ]
20:26:10 <leuhmanu> AL13N: wip ;)
20:26:32 <leuhmanu> and it's set in release_blocker
20:26:36 <AL13N> i know
20:26:46 <AL13N> i set it as release_blocker
20:27:08 <AL13N> i wanted to know if we should just disable the whole thing
20:27:16 <AL13N> but not in this meeting, i guess
20:27:35 <ennael> yes please
20:27:39 <ennael> mail on -dev :)
20:27:48 <AL13N> (i wanted to bugtest a few text-installer bugs, but it's been non working for months likely)
20:29:16 <ryoshu> ennael: I have a favour to ask you to make wifi problems a blocker of the release, there are conflicts and wpa_supplicant isn't working for me
20:29:32 <ennael> please mail -dev :)
20:30:36 <ennael> anything else ?
20:30:41 <AL13N> next
20:31:20 <ennael> #topic Organize freeze with other teams
20:31:43 <ennael> ok freezes will happen also soon for i18n and artwork
20:31:43 <ryoshu> yes
20:31:58 <sebsebseb> yep
20:32:00 <ennael> it would be nice to have packagers helping to integrate last changes
20:32:14 <ennael> I mean follow it and push updates
20:32:33 <ennael> so that everything is ready on time
20:33:02 <ryoshu> there is a freeze for i18n, is then a version bump allowed of our software?
20:33:37 <ennael> yep
20:33:47 <ennael> also there is a big work in progress with docteam
20:33:48 <ryoshu> ennael: thank you
20:33:54 <ennael> and they may be late also
20:34:13 <ryoshu> docteam is hardworking on the installer
20:34:19 <ennael> yep
20:34:35 <ennael> so any volunteer to help docteam, i18n and artwork ?
20:34:50 <rindolf> ennael: I guess I can try.
20:34:57 <rindolf> ennael: but I have a day job.
20:35:03 <ennael> really ? :)
20:35:21 <ryoshu> rindolf: for doc contact marja, for i18n obgr_seneca
20:35:27 <obgr_seneca> if you want i18n look here: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/I18n_teams
20:35:28 <erzulie> [ I18n teams - Mageia wiki ]
20:35:32 <rindolf> ryoshu: OK.
20:35:33 <sebsebseb> ryoshu: for artwork contact Max
20:35:36 <obgr_seneca> and contact the respective language team leaders
20:35:50 <sebsebseb> uh for rindolf ^
20:35:59 <rindolf> sebsebseb: OK.
20:37:10 <rindolf> ryoshu, sebsebseb: thanks.
20:37:19 <ennael> anything else ?
20:37:24 <marja> rindolf: if you'd like to help with the help texts in installer, join #mageia-doc and look at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Help_buttons_in_DrakX-installer_Configuration_section
20:37:25 <rindolf> OK, I'll put it on my TODO list.
20:37:25 <erzulie> [ Help buttons in DrakX-installer Configuration section - Mageia wiki ]
20:37:26 <sebsebseb> rindolf: no problem :)
20:37:39 <marja> ouch
20:37:45 <marja> rindolf: wrong link
20:38:01 <marja> rindolf: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Help_buttons_in_DrakX-installer
20:38:02 <erzulie> [ Help buttons in DrakX-installer - Mageia wiki ]
20:38:10 <sebsebseb> rindolf: oh I would suggest coming to the IRC channels #mageia-doc and #mageia-artwork and maybe even joining the mailing lists, if your going to try help the teams :)  and yeah the i18n as well
20:38:13 <ennael> anything else ?
20:38:39 <marja> rindolf: the other page belongs to it, too, the first contains more explanation ;)
20:38:53 <marja> s/first/second/
20:38:57 <ryoshu> ennael: pleas add if you mean anything in a subject or in the meeting general :)
20:39:36 <ennael> #topic Beta 2 release
20:40:45 <ennael> so Beta 2 release is planned for 15th of march
20:40:49 <ennael> so in 1 week
20:40:56 <sebsebseb> :)
20:41:09 <ennael> isos build has started and qa will start tests tomorrow I think
20:41:33 <ennael> still no artwork but choice is on the way by council
20:41:44 <ennael> should be done in a few days
20:42:24 <AL13N> livemedia + dual arch cd?
20:42:50 <ennael> dual arch is on the way
20:43:01 <sebsebseb> ennael: there was someone who wanted to submit their wall paper as part of the contest, very soon after the deadline, not sure if they contacted you, but if not, I guess to late now
20:43:02 <ennael> still need some news from blino and tmb
20:43:16 <ennael> sebsebseb: too late !
20:43:31 <Remmy> sebsebseb: There is always Mageia 3 :)
20:43:39 <sebsebseb> Remmy: yep :)
20:44:05 <sebsebseb> think they uploaded it onto flickr, someone who came to IRC, anyway yeah there will be Mageia 3 :)
20:44:08 <obgr_seneca> and if I ever find the one responsible for not setting a max number fo pictures for the art contest :/
20:44:25 <ennael> obgr_seneca: :)
20:44:29 * Remmy hands obgr_seneca a box of matches
20:44:29 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: oh?  a max number why?
20:44:42 <ennael> ok anything else on beta 2 ?
20:44:43 <ryoshu> :)
20:44:47 <Remmy> sebsebseb: So people don't submit 500 holiday pictures
20:44:54 <sebsebseb> Remmy: oh I hven't seen that
20:44:58 <sebsebseb> was a while since I last looked
20:45:11 <AL13N> lol
20:45:19 <sebsebseb> oh that was a joke?
20:45:33 <sebsebseb> more artwork to choose from the better I think :)
20:45:43 <obgr_seneca> on beta2: any coordination needed with trish/marcomm?
20:45:44 <ennael> guys !
20:45:55 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: actually yes
20:45:56 <sebsebseb> I think
20:46:04 <sebsebseb> Trish was going to do the text for the new slide show images
20:46:12 <ennael> obgr_seneca: yep we will need to start nearly final release documentation for communication
20:46:12 <sebsebseb> ,but she hasn't emailed anything to the marcom mailing list about this yet
20:46:37 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: installer slide show images that is
20:46:48 <obgr_seneca> ennael: yep
20:47:00 <ennael> anything else ?
20:47:24 <obgr_seneca> one thing for all of us:
20:47:35 <obgr_seneca> please try and keep the release notes up to date
20:47:44 <ennael> yep
20:47:49 <ennael> we need updates for beta2
20:48:11 <obgr_seneca> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_beta1
20:48:12 <erzulie> [ Mageia 2 beta1 - Mageia wiki ]
20:48:21 <obgr_seneca> s/beta1/beta2/
20:49:03 <ryoshu> obgr_seneca: ok, thanks!
20:50:52 <ennael> any other topic ?
20:50:56 <ennael> misc: ?
20:51:21 <leuhmanu> council election ? :)
20:51:31 <ennael> yep
20:51:43 <ennael> could we do it after beta2 ?
20:51:46 <Guest75027> what to do about unmaintained packages that aren't getting any love?
20:51:48 <misc> ennael: not from me, just want to confirm the list of people who can push new package
20:51:53 <ryoshu> ennael: I am just reporting that the spellchecker plan consolidation is mostly done :)
20:51:56 <sebsebseb> Who's Guest75027 ?
20:52:03 <ennael> please
20:52:06 <ennael> one at a time
20:52:11 * ennael slaps children
20:52:16 <AL13N> O_o
20:52:21 * misc call the cop
20:52:27 * AL13N agrees with misc
20:52:27 <ryoshu> :)
20:52:34 <ennael> so
20:52:43 <obgr_seneca> as long as she doesn't burn them
20:52:50 <ennael> council election next week, is it ok ?
20:53:06 <AL13N> do you mean the preparation?
20:53:10 <ennael> yep
20:53:13 <obgr_seneca> you mean packaging team leader/rep/whatever?
20:53:17 <ennael> yep
20:53:22 <obgr_seneca> ok with me
20:53:57 <ennael> ok others are sleeping, fine :)
20:54:10 <anaselli> are we going to vote as last time?
20:54:11 <ennael> about list of people allowed to push new versions
20:56:04 <ennael> misc: can you paste the list?
20:56:11 <AL13N> wasn't it in the email?
20:56:12 <ennael> can't find it
20:56:15 <coincoin> not the same as in the mail ?
20:56:17 <ennael> ah
20:56:28 * ennael was looking in meetbot...
20:57:12 <ennael> so
20:57:14 <ennael> - misc
20:57:14 <ennael> - ennael
20:57:14 <ennael> - tmb
20:57:14 <ennael> - anssi
20:57:16 <ennael> - boklm
20:57:37 <ennael> misc: we go for this list
20:57:44 <misc> ok
20:57:56 <misc> so let's call them "release_manager" :)
20:58:06 <Anssi> the list in the email seems rather short.. maybe e.g. blino,pterjan should be added (they were in the past I think).. or has this been already discussed? :)
20:58:13 <ennael> reminder: no alcohol nor money allowed to puch new version
20:58:29 <ennael> Anssi: well blino is hardly available
20:58:31 <Remmy> ennael: And a combination of the two?
20:58:32 <misc> Anssi: well, that was not discussed in time cause i forgot to send mail
20:58:36 <ennael> maybe pterjan
20:58:43 <Anssi> ennael: ah, ok then
20:58:46 <misc> Anssi: and so we cannot wait this time :/
20:58:50 <ennael> Remmy: will not answer here :)
20:58:54 <misc> ( but we can change after )
20:59:04 <ennael> yep let start with these 5
20:59:05 <AL13N> lol
20:59:13 <anaselli> ennael: in past a good wine was though... you're becoming ol....r :p
20:59:58 <ennael> misc: I guess we can freeze now
21:00:06 <AL13N> ryoshu: ping?
21:00:10 <ryoshu> AL13N: pong
21:00:12 <misc> ennael: let me just finish the doc :)
21:00:26 <AL13N> any other topic?
21:00:50 <ennael> not for me
21:01:43 <AL13N> i'm sure there is other stuff, but i forgot
21:02:20 <leuhmanu> - Mentoring progress
21:02:30 <AL13N> ah yes
21:02:37 * AL13N hides
21:02:41 <ennael> andre is not here
21:03:15 <Remmy> An update of the list on the wiki would be nice
21:03:27 <AL13N> what list?
21:03:33 <ryoshu> according to my datas we have 59 full packagers maintaining something
21:03:37 <Remmy> Of mentors and their trainees
21:03:47 <AL13N> ah yes
21:03:54 <AL13N> i noticed andre was less active then before
21:03:57 <leuhmanu> ,,wiki mentoring
21:03:58 <Magbot> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Mentor
21:03:59 <AL13N> bt there were iinm 2 other people
21:03:59 <erzulie> [ Becoming a Mageia Mentor - Mageia wiki ]
21:04:06 <AL13N> where are those 2 others?
21:04:15 <Remmy> AL13N: Yes, there are
21:04:19 <leuhmanu> (wrong link /o\)
21:04:33 <Remmy> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager
21:04:34 <ryoshu> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Absent @andre
21:04:35 <erzulie> [ Becoming a Mageia Packager - Mageia wiki ]
21:04:35 <erzulie> [ Absent - Mageia wiki ]
21:04:50 <AL13N> i'd like to have some kind of way to respond if someone wants to help
21:05:02 <AL13N> for now i direct them to wiki contributing in general
21:06:50 <obgr_seneca> we have http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/
21:07:21 <AL13N> also another thing, but less urgent: is there any kind of financial overview after the costs and donations of FOSDEM?
21:07:53 <AL13N> coincoin: ping? how about you taking an treasurer apprentice/helper => grenoya?
21:08:11 <grenoya> lol !
21:08:24 <coincoin> AL13N: it's dev meeting here ;)
21:08:27 <ennael> ok can we end meeting ?
21:08:30 <obgr_seneca> AL13N: not really nstuff for packager meeting is it?
21:08:39 <AL13N> ah right, not for this meeting k
21:08:43 <malo> I can help for the mentoring progress part, until Andre comes back, if needed
21:08:54 <ennael> malo: would be nice
21:09:32 <AL13N> i guess this is the end of meeting then, unless we're waiting on misc to finish document :-)
21:09:56 <Remmy> Let's freeze his document now
21:10:37 <AL13N> :)
21:11:06 <AL13N> Remmy: i think it's done, he's committing on puppet stuff atm :-)
21:11:25 <AL13N> version freeze preparation apparently
21:14:49 <sebsebseb> ok looks like the meeting can be closed
21:15:51 <ennael> ok we can close it
21:15:54 <ennael> #endmeeting