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19:17:48 <misc> #name Packager
19:18:40 <misc> #topic change in iso planning
19:19:27 <misc> so as people reading the ml and the minutes from council have seen, the planning have been changed
19:20:12 <AL13N> so i guess we're trying to get the latest gnome+KDE in it? IF they are on time?
19:20:26 <misc> http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-meeting/2011/mageia-meeting.2011-10-03-19.06.html
19:20:26 <erzulie> [ #mageia-meeting Meeting ]
19:21:40 <misc> #info mageia final release is postponed to 3rd may 2012
19:22:06 <misc> f people have any question, i suggest to ask on the ml directly, after reading the proper thread, and the minutes of the meeting
19:22:51 <AL13N> ok
19:23:24 <misc> #topic triage team review
19:23:26 <misc> leuhmanu: ?
19:24:25 <leuhmanu> Thanks to the adoption of package, we have started to add the maintainer
19:24:45 <leuhmanu> and also check all 'old' bug
19:25:46 <leuhmanu> ah yes maybe I can ask something
19:26:09 <leuhmanu> for you what does mean the status 'assigned' ?
19:26:42 <leuhmanu> someone who is working and the bug ?
19:27:28 <misc> depend on the context, but yes, at least for me
19:27:34 <leuhmanu> or 'This bug is not yet resolved, but is assigned to the proper person. '
19:27:40 <leuhmanu> https://bugs.mageia.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#status
19:27:41 <erzulie> [ A Bug's Life Cycle ]
19:28:18 <Stormi> to me it means the same here
19:28:34 <Stormi> by setting to assigned you say "yes, I am the right person, I will handle it"
19:28:47 <leuhmanu> ok so it's
19:28:55 <leuhmanu> so it's ok*
19:29:16 <Stormi> I think this is a status we must let the maintainer to set him/herself
19:30:42 <Stormi> next topic ?
19:30:58 <leuhmanu> yep
19:31:04 <misc> well, if the review is finished
19:31:18 <leuhmanu> I have nothing other to say :)
19:31:24 <misc> what do you mean by "adding the maintainer" ?
19:31:38 <Stormi> assigning bugs to maintainers
19:31:44 <Stormi> Assignee field
19:31:48 <leuhmanu> yes sorry
19:32:00 <misc> #info bugs are now correctly assigned to maintainers
19:32:09 <misc> #info work is being done to clear all old bugs
19:33:29 <misc> ok #topic QA team review
19:33:33 <misc> #topic QA team review
19:33:40 <misc> so, I gues , Stormi ?
19:33:50 <Stormi> yes
19:34:24 <Stormi> QA team works everyday, especially 2 of our members
19:34:51 <Stormi> however, the number of updates pending has been growing this week
19:35:08 <Stormi> mainly as a side effet of package adoption
19:35:22 <Stormi> now that bugs are assigned to maintainers, some of them are fixed, so more update candidates
19:35:49 <Stormi> also, it looks like security matters are being more and more adressed by packagers, thus also more updates candidates
19:36:11 <Stormi> We could use more help, but situation is not out of control for now :)
19:36:40 <Stormi> Also we made a script that will give us the list of packages that must be linked from Release to Updates
19:36:53 <Stormi> it is being QAed by us :)
19:37:00 <misc> #info QA work everyday but number of updates pending have been growing, due to better bug triage
19:37:15 <Stormi> (and better packager involvement)
19:38:11 <Stormi> There are several updates that are validated and waiting for a push
19:38:22 <Stormi> https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=updates-push&sharer_id=22
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19:38:57 <misc> #info several updates requires a push
19:39:03 <misc> #url https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=updates-push&sharer_id=22
19:39:04 <erzulie> [ Log in to Bugzilla ]
19:39:18 <leuhmanu> If I can add something, I have see that security bugs had not really info about what to test, so if packager can give more info, I think QA can work better :)
19:39:52 <misc> ideally, to test security bug, we need to have working exploit
19:40:20 <Stormi> QA team searches for known exploits and tries to test them, but it's even better when the packager gives the exploit directly
19:40:40 <misc> and we do not usually have, and for some very specific case ( like the 5 quagga bugfixes pushed 2 days ago ), this can be quite hard to set up properley
19:40:46 <misc> ( or the puppet update )
19:41:15 <Stormi> I think we can end the QA team review
19:41:28 <misc> but yes, yo are right to ask for more information to packagers
19:42:04 <misc> #info QA would like to have more information to test security bug from packagers such as exploit, etc
19:44:12 <misc> so last topic
19:44:28 <misc> #topic start of wiki migration
19:45:10 <misc> so again, I think something have been discussed last meeting, maybe on the ml ( but I didn't have tme to read, so I actually counted a lot on ennael being here to speak about it )
19:45:57 <misc> ( but let's pretend that I know what I am talking about )
19:46:09 <Stormi> I think only council discussed it recently, as we haven't had a meeting last week here
19:46:54 <misc> so we have 2 person who volunteered themself to help, aka andre ( andre999 ) and florian ( docktor500 )
19:47:04 <misc> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web:wiki#teams_contacts_for_wiki
19:47:05 <erzulie> [ web:wiki [Mageia temporary wiki] ]
19:47:14 <doktor5000> andre is not here it seems
19:47:25 <doktor5000> so this is the plan: http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web:wiki#new_wiki_structure
19:47:26 <erzulie> [ web:wiki [Mageia temporary wiki] ]
19:47:56 <doktor5000> we had not much time so far, this is what we whipped up: http://titanpad.com/ME29TcKRyA
19:47:57 <erzulie> [ TitanPad: ME29TcKRyA ]
19:49:00 <AL13N> looks nice
19:49:02 <doktor5000> what needs to be done is to create a draft for the new packager landing page
19:50:31 <doktor5000> also to help packagers find ressources from other distros i've created this one: http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packagers_linkpage
19:50:32 <erzulie> [ packagers_linkpage [Mageia temporary wiki] ]
19:51:20 <doktor5000> needs stome formatting in the new wiki and maybe we need to add links for mageia and mandriva too, but eventually should be valuable to some
19:52:15 <doktor5000> that's all i know so far about the migration to the new wiki
19:52:36 <doktor5000> if somebody wants to help you should subscribe to https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/doc-discuss
19:52:36 <erzulie> [ doc-discuss - Discussions about Mageia documentation - info ]
19:53:48 <misc> #info doktor5000 and andre999 are volunteer to work on wiki
19:54:05 <misc> #info a page for new packager need to be done
19:54:28 <misc> #info people wanting to help should subscribe to doc-discuss ( https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/doc-discuss )
19:54:28 <erzulie> [ doc-discuss - Discussions about Mageia documentation - info ]
19:55:04 <doktor5000> misc: not exactly, a general packager landing page (or portal page) and one for novices that shows them how to proceed
19:57:13 <misc> #info also a more regular page for packager is needed, more info on the ml ( or the log )
20:00:17 <misc> ok so nothing more to add on the wiki side ? ( because I do not have much to say, rather the contrary )
20:02:17 <doktor5000> maybe an email update from ennael when the actual migration of content will begin and when we can start working on the new wiki?
20:05:38 <misc> that should not even need to be asked, but if the information is not sent, no one should refrain itself from sending it, as we are starting to have quite a lot of ml
20:09:00 <misc> ok so last call, nothing to add more ?
20:10:17 <Stormi> no, I think we can close, the rest is already being discussed via MLs (adoption campaign, backports, etc.)
20:12:14 <misc> ok
20:12:59 <misc> so thanks for coming, and see you another day when I will have sleeped ( but this doesn't prevent from seeing each others without me )
20:13:02 <misc> #endmeeting