19:14:30 <ennael> #startmeeting
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19:14:32 <filip_> web subteam is basically complete
19:14:38 <ennael> so let start now
19:15:05 <ennael> As I was discussing with some people it seems we need some plan for Mageia 5 announcement
19:15:42 <ennael> Following the mail of Nenad Latinovic
19:15:58 <ennael> we need really to reinforce Mageia visibility
19:16:18 <ennael> and Mageia 5 it one of the only way we have in short term
19:17:09 <ennael> so we need the following piece
19:17:13 <ennael> web site
19:17:14 <filip_> hopefully very short
19:17:17 <ennael> wiki
19:17:21 <ennael> PR
19:17:35 <ennael> blog
19:18:09 <Schultz> also announcements for external sites, maybe with a small summary
19:18:20 <ennael> this is what I call PR
19:18:23 <ennael> press release
19:18:30 <ennael> to be sent to a list of media
19:18:39 <ennael> do we have such list?
19:19:23 <Akien> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Press_release_contact_list
19:19:45 <Akien> It might need some updating though, and maybe we should add new websites to the list
19:20:04 <ennael> it would be nice to have a small how to for submission there
19:20:04 <filip_> maybe holden87 can add some too
19:21:00 <Akien> #info We should write a how to for PR
19:21:17 <ennael> at least add the url for submission
19:21:29 <ennael> I remember some of these site where it's nicely hidden :)
19:21:32 <Schultz> sounds good, maybe Trish can help, she was/is really good with that stuff
19:21:38 <filip_> #link https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Press_release_contact_list
19:21:48 <holden87> Sure, I can cook something up soon.
19:21:57 <ennael> then we need the PR
19:22:02 <ennael> it's really important
19:22:23 <ennael> journalist, news site are somehow a bit lazzy :)
19:22:32 <ennael> they usually use the existing PR and copy it
19:23:22 <Akien> True, I even found a verbatim chunk from our incomplete release notes in an article about beta3 :)
19:23:31 <ennael> sure :)
19:23:48 <Akien> IMO we should get started right now with a pad, and try to cook something up in the coming week
19:23:55 <Akien> The sooner we are ready, the better
19:24:00 <ennael> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5_pressrelease
19:24:02 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
19:24:03 <holden87> That's what I was aiming at; for now, it can only be a generic text on a branded letter template, but a pat on the back e-mail with a personal touch to journalists wouldn't be bad for starters, until the Pr workflow is organized.
19:24:04 <ennael> for the url :)
19:24:51 <ennael> this is important to start it as soon as possible
19:24:56 <ennael> as we need to translate it
19:26:14 <Schultz> english, french, german should be priorities but they tend to be quite quick
19:26:16 <ennael> we can list the ideas we would like to broadcast and then write them all
19:26:29 <ennael> Schultz: well just to avoid last minute stress :)
19:27:16 <holden87> when's the deadline otherwise?
19:27:37 <Akien> 15th of April would be good IMO
19:27:42 <Akien> i.e. a week from now
19:28:12 <ennael> yep would be great
19:28:46 <Schultz> what a mageia release without stress, unthinkable :)
19:28:59 <holden87> Deal. I'll get to you for 'talking points', aka, what would be emphasized.
19:29:03 <Akien> Schultz: It's not done yet ;-)
19:29:12 <Schultz> 15th sounds good, ill try and be as available as I can until then
19:29:36 <Akien> If we can start gathering ideas and try to write a full text during the week-end, we should manage
19:29:50 <Akien> We'll probably have a release announcement for the RC to write too
19:29:53 <Schultz> as I have always said, as long as we avoid the post release stress of MGA2 I'm good
19:30:40 <Schultz> hopefully the rc announcement can be used a good bit for the final - shouldnt be too much change between the two
19:31:04 <ennael> well we need to find something valuable about this release
19:31:51 <ennael> make it appealing
19:32:13 <Schultz> efi? is that looking good enough?
19:32:38 <Schultz> or is there any other big bit of new software we have other te kf5?
19:33:11 <Akien> That's somehow the issue about mga5, people have been waiting ages for it, but apart for UEFI support + of course updated packages, we don't have much to announce
19:33:58 <ennael> we have games
19:33:59 <Akien> Lots of bug fixing on all our tools
19:34:02 <Akien> Lots of games indeed :)
19:34:17 <ennael> would be nice also to have some figures as the installation duration
19:34:18 <Akien> I'll definitely write a paragraph about it (and in the release notes too)
19:34:32 <ennael> after years using linux I'm still amazed by the short time needed
19:34:37 <ennael> and how easy it is
19:34:46 <ennael> (comparing to windows :p)
19:34:58 <filip_> and a point how to copy iso to usb would be nice
19:37:00 <ennael> so pad is a way to list ideas
19:37:10 <ennael> whatever you have in mind, we can sort after that
19:37:16 <ennael> does it sound ok ?
19:37:24 <Schultz> I guess we could try to spin the delay = lots of fixed bugs
19:38:15 <ennael> don't start thinking with "we are late" in mind
19:38:29 <ennael> we need to be positive :)
19:39:36 <filip_> true but I guess we also need to be clear. we had a lot to do for mga5
19:40:24 <ennael> we can also speak about the way community handle the distribution
19:40:30 <holden87> What I don't like in pretty much every other distro is that it's PR is preaching to the converted. The cycle is what you make it; people were warned in advance about the delay, so i don't see it as an issue. But more of a: yes, it's here, blood has been spilled, goats sacrified, and mount fuji conquered :)
19:41:16 <ennael> I've always think we have a nice community, opened enough to make everybody make some progress, get new skills
19:41:35 <ennael> this is also a point to mention as part of this release
19:41:53 <Schultz> ^^ this is very true, we should focus on that, maybe get a few new contributors that way too
19:42:03 <holden87> ennael: true. Should be pointed out as such subtle invites...
19:42:08 <holden87> Schultz: beat me to it :)
19:42:48 <Akien> Yeah, always emphasize that making Mageia is awesome, but also demanding, and that the more, the merrier :)
19:43:07 <ennael> ok so we have plenty of fun to explain in PR :)
19:43:22 <Schultz> we should include something on the ease of install, I always feel its one of the barriers to people trying Linux. We have some of the best tools around, we should let them do the talking here
19:43:45 <ennael> yep indeed
19:44:18 <filip_> and our drak tools are great 2
19:45:00 <filip_> consistent, user friendly, powerful but easy enough
19:45:13 <Schultz> I was meaning the collective stuff in our git is good, not just the installer
19:45:48 <Schultz> on a different note - is there any news about gcompris? maybe we can work that in too
19:46:38 <ennael> Qt port is in progress
19:46:52 <ennael> still maybe not ready for use
19:47:06 <ennael> I mean limited activities available for now
19:48:12 <Akien> Maybe we could work along two lines for the PR/release announcement:
19:48:35 <Akien> - what's Mageia and why is it so nice? (for people who don't know Mageia)
19:48:52 <Akien> - what's new? (for Mageia users or people who know about it already)
19:49:31 <Akien> Not necessarily by making a clear separation between the two lines, but we should keep in mind to address both
19:49:45 <ennael> yep
19:49:55 <holden87> Great outline Akien:
19:50:40 <Schultz> Sounds good to me
19:52:22 <filip_> should we go to next point?
19:52:47 <ennael> so PR is one thing
19:52:51 <ennael> web site now.
19:53:15 <holden87> Sorry for offtopic, but i must run. Will there be a log published, so I can add my thoughts on the mailing list?
19:53:33 <ennael> sure
19:53:42 <filip_> #link https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5_pressrelease
19:53:44 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
19:53:51 <ennael> holden87: http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-atelier/2015/
19:53:52 <[mbot> [ Index of /mageia-atelier/2015 ]
19:54:02 <ennael> for the log
19:54:40 <holden87> Thanks, bookmarked. I'll get to you tomorrow early afternoon. Bye!
19:55:03 <Akien> See you holden87 :)
19:56:05 <ennael> ok so web site ? :)
19:56:19 <filip_> yeah. priority
19:58:33 <filip_> we need a mga5 release pages. who can work on that?
20:00:16 <ennael> which page is it?
20:00:26 <filip_> http://www.mageia.org/5/
20:00:27 <[mbot> [ Download Mageia 5 beta3 ]
20:00:49 <filip_> for now it's only DL page
20:01:05 <filip_> we need some presentation pages
20:02:33 <Akien> What about David Brandl's new design?
20:03:00 <Akien> Is it on hold for now? I guess if we haven't starting working on migrating to it we won't do it just before the release :)
20:03:02 <ennael> do you have an url.
20:03:10 <ennael> ?
20:03:25 <leuhmanu> no news from him
20:03:35 <Akien> ennael: For the content, if we keep the same design, we need something like http://www.mageia.org/4
20:03:36 <[mbot> [ Mageia 4 ]
20:03:38 <leuhmanu> (and for myself I told I need content...
20:04:09 <Akien> Though it would be nice to have something "new" or more interesting, like slides showing Mageia and presenting the community, etc
20:04:23 <leuhmanu> yep
20:04:36 <ennael> we could use pictures from various events
20:07:19 <leuhmanu> "If you need something just call me... " in frebruary from him, maybe my previous was not good
20:08:01 <ennael> if we have all piece it's not too late
20:08:05 <ennael> but it should be started now
20:08:20 <ennael> new release is a good moment to renew web site
20:09:19 <ennael> looks like url is not working anymore
20:09:37 <leuhmanu> which one ?
20:10:16 <Akien> If we have the design ready at hand, I can probably help to migrate some of the existing content
20:10:30 <filip_> it stopped to work some months ago
20:12:04 <ennael> can we try to ping him.
20:12:05 <ennael> ?
20:12:08 <filip_> Akien: it was very different from current. It's unrealistic to make a transition in a month
20:12:43 <ennael> fine let's keep the old one then...
20:13:05 <Akien> filip_: Fine by me
20:14:14 <filip_> Akien: you can try to ping him to send the files
20:16:38 <Akien> Sure, at any rate we can still work on it post-release if we like the new design
20:16:45 <Akien> (it looked great IMO)
20:16:58 <Akien> There should still be some screenshot preview on the ML btw
20:17:11 <filip_> Akien: it did but there are more than 25 php pages. so to do all files within a month it's a challenge
20:17:58 <filip_> at least 34 to be exact
20:18:43 <filip_> we just can't fix a few pages. I think we should try to be consistent. it's too messy already
20:19:57 <filip_> take a look at: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Atelier_Current_apps_%26_sites#Particular_WWW_pages_with_TODO_status
20:21:40 <filip_> sorry: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Atelier_Current_apps_%26_sites
20:22:00 <filip_> for bigger picture
20:23:51 <filip_> can we go on. leuhmanu still need content in either case
20:24:14 <filip_> who will provide it?
20:24:36 <filip_> sorry. who can provide it?
20:24:39 <Akien> We can probably reuse most of the existing content?
20:24:50 <ennael> except Mageia 5 tab
20:25:11 <Akien> Ah indeed sorry, I was still on the new design. Priority should be Mageia 5 text indeed
20:25:27 <Akien> I guess some of the PR brainstorming might be useful for that
20:25:33 <leuhmanu> yes
20:25:45 <Akien> I'll try to have a look at other distro's websites to get ideas
20:25:49 <Akien> :-D
20:26:09 <filip_> http://www.mageia.org/3/ was richer than http://www.mageia.org/4. lets stop the trend ;)
20:26:10 <[mbot> [ Mageia 3 ]
20:26:34 <leuhmanu> mlo one is great but I didn't found time to try something similar
20:26:44 <filip_> indeed it is
20:26:53 <Akien> Maybe we can ask the MLO guy to give us a hand?
20:26:56 <filip_> can we contact webmasters?
20:27:05 <Akien> Adrien_D, he's on #mageia-fr and #MLO
20:28:18 <leuhmanu> (and if we can avoid listing version of soft in such static web like in 3)
20:28:41 <filip_> +1
20:28:49 <filip_> https://mageialinux.ru/ is not bad
20:28:51 <[mbot> [ Русскоязычное сообщество пользователей Mageia ]
20:29:33 <Akien> I have to go, but I'll catch up with the logs and try to help on this (at least with ideas and maybe some content, I'll let you handle the technical side)
20:29:40 <leuhmanu> wordpress
20:30:25 <leuhmanu> (and mlo phpboost)
20:34:20 <filip_> any phpboost doc in eng?
20:35:55 <leuhmanu> no ideas, but I don't think you want a cms now, or I am wrong, :)
20:36:13 <leuhmanu> have to leave too, see you on ml or here
20:36:23 <filip_> true. I don't like them now
20:36:32 <filip_> ok. bye
20:37:21 <ennael> ok so on web side we need that page
20:37:27 <ennael> so basically all comes from PR
20:37:54 <filip_> some dev & doc input would be nice too
20:38:23 <filip_> not to much technical but some details are nice
20:39:38 <leuhmanu> (saw this some month http://devrama.com/static/devrama-slider/example-elements-animation.php , now I'm leaving :) )
20:39:39 <[mbot> [ jQuery plugin Slider - elements animation example ]
20:40:05 <filip_> ennael: I guess we can close web part. we're decimated :(.
20:40:16 <ennael> erf
20:40:50 <ennael> well I guess we can stop for tonight and maybe fix another quick meeting in 1 week about PR
20:41:04 <filip_> sounds nice
20:44:07 <filip_> ennael: will you end the meeting or ...?
20:44:36 <filip_> #link http://devrama.com/static/devrama-slider/example-elements-animation.php
20:44:37 <[mbot> [ jQuery plugin Slider - elements animation example ]
20:45:53 <ennael> ok
20:46:05 <ennael> thanks for being there and let's make Mageia 5 a success :)
20:46:10 <ennael> #endmeeting