19:14:30 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:14:30 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Wed Apr 8 19:14:30 2015 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:14:30 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:14:32 <filip_> web subteam is basically complete 19:14:38 <ennael> so let start now 19:15:05 <ennael> As I was discussing with some people it seems we need some plan for Mageia 5 announcement 19:15:42 <ennael> Following the mail of Nenad Latinovic 19:15:58 <ennael> we need really to reinforce Mageia visibility 19:16:18 <ennael> and Mageia 5 it one of the only way we have in short term 19:17:09 <ennael> so we need the following piece 19:17:13 <ennael> web site 19:17:14 <filip_> hopefully very short 19:17:17 <ennael> wiki 19:17:21 <ennael> PR 19:17:35 <ennael> blog 19:18:09 <Schultz> also announcements for external sites, maybe with a small summary 19:18:20 <ennael> this is what I call PR 19:18:23 <ennael> press release 19:18:30 <ennael> to be sent to a list of media 19:18:39 <ennael> do we have such list? 19:19:23 <Akien> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Press_release_contact_list 19:19:45 <Akien> It might need some updating though, and maybe we should add new websites to the list 19:20:04 <ennael> it would be nice to have a small how to for submission there 19:20:04 <filip_> maybe holden87 can add some too 19:21:00 <Akien> #info We should write a how to for PR 19:21:17 <ennael> at least add the url for submission 19:21:29 <ennael> I remember some of these site where it's nicely hidden :) 19:21:32 <Schultz> sounds good, maybe Trish can help, she was/is really good with that stuff 19:21:38 <filip_> #link https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Press_release_contact_list 19:21:48 <holden87> Sure, I can cook something up soon. 19:21:57 <ennael> then we need the PR 19:22:02 <ennael> it's really important 19:22:23 <ennael> journalist, news site are somehow a bit lazzy :) 19:22:32 <ennael> they usually use the existing PR and copy it 19:23:22 <Akien> True, I even found a verbatim chunk from our incomplete release notes in an article about beta3 :) 19:23:31 <ennael> sure :) 19:23:48 <Akien> IMO we should get started right now with a pad, and try to cook something up in the coming week 19:23:55 <Akien> The sooner we are ready, the better 19:24:00 <ennael> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5_pressrelease 19:24:02 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 19:24:03 <holden87> That's what I was aiming at; for now, it can only be a generic text on a branded letter template, but a pat on the back e-mail with a personal touch to journalists wouldn't be bad for starters, until the Pr workflow is organized. 19:24:04 <ennael> for the url :) 19:24:51 <ennael> this is important to start it as soon as possible 19:24:56 <ennael> as we need to translate it 19:26:14 <Schultz> english, french, german should be priorities but they tend to be quite quick 19:26:16 <ennael> we can list the ideas we would like to broadcast and then write them all 19:26:29 <ennael> Schultz: well just to avoid last minute stress :) 19:27:16 <holden87> when's the deadline otherwise? 19:27:37 <Akien> 15th of April would be good IMO 19:27:42 <Akien> i.e. a week from now 19:28:12 <ennael> yep would be great 19:28:46 <Schultz> what a mageia release without stress, unthinkable :) 19:28:59 <holden87> Deal. I'll get to you for 'talking points', aka, what would be emphasized. 19:29:03 <Akien> Schultz: It's not done yet ;-) 19:29:12 <Schultz> 15th sounds good, ill try and be as available as I can until then 19:29:36 <Akien> If we can start gathering ideas and try to write a full text during the week-end, we should manage 19:29:50 <Akien> We'll probably have a release announcement for the RC to write too 19:29:53 <Schultz> as I have always said, as long as we avoid the post release stress of MGA2 I'm good 19:30:40 <Schultz> hopefully the rc announcement can be used a good bit for the final - shouldnt be too much change between the two 19:31:04 <ennael> well we need to find something valuable about this release 19:31:51 <ennael> make it appealing 19:32:13 <Schultz> efi? is that looking good enough? 19:32:38 <Schultz> or is there any other big bit of new software we have other te kf5? 19:33:11 <Akien> That's somehow the issue about mga5, people have been waiting ages for it, but apart for UEFI support + of course updated packages, we don't have much to announce 19:33:58 <ennael> we have games 19:33:59 <Akien> Lots of bug fixing on all our tools 19:34:02 <Akien> Lots of games indeed :) 19:34:17 <ennael> would be nice also to have some figures as the installation duration 19:34:18 <Akien> I'll definitely write a paragraph about it (and in the release notes too) 19:34:32 <ennael> after years using linux I'm still amazed by the short time needed 19:34:37 <ennael> and how easy it is 19:34:46 <ennael> (comparing to windows :p) 19:34:58 <filip_> and a point how to copy iso to usb would be nice 19:37:00 <ennael> so pad is a way to list ideas 19:37:10 <ennael> whatever you have in mind, we can sort after that 19:37:16 <ennael> does it sound ok ? 19:37:24 <Schultz> I guess we could try to spin the delay = lots of fixed bugs 19:38:15 <ennael> don't start thinking with "we are late" in mind 19:38:29 <ennael> we need to be positive :) 19:39:36 <filip_> true but I guess we also need to be clear. we had a lot to do for mga5 19:40:24 <ennael> we can also speak about the way community handle the distribution 19:40:30 <holden87> What I don't like in pretty much every other distro is that it's PR is preaching to the converted. The cycle is what you make it; people were warned in advance about the delay, so i don't see it as an issue. But more of a: yes, it's here, blood has been spilled, goats sacrified, and mount fuji conquered :) 19:41:16 <ennael> I've always think we have a nice community, opened enough to make everybody make some progress, get new skills 19:41:35 <ennael> this is also a point to mention as part of this release 19:41:53 <Schultz> ^^ this is very true, we should focus on that, maybe get a few new contributors that way too 19:42:03 <holden87> ennael: true. Should be pointed out as such subtle invites... 19:42:08 <holden87> Schultz: beat me to it :) 19:42:48 <Akien> Yeah, always emphasize that making Mageia is awesome, but also demanding, and that the more, the merrier :) 19:43:07 <ennael> ok so we have plenty of fun to explain in PR :) 19:43:22 <Schultz> we should include something on the ease of install, I always feel its one of the barriers to people trying Linux. We have some of the best tools around, we should let them do the talking here 19:43:45 <ennael> yep indeed 19:44:18 <filip_> and our drak tools are great 2 19:45:00 <filip_> consistent, user friendly, powerful but easy enough 19:45:13 <Schultz> I was meaning the collective stuff in our git is good, not just the installer 19:45:48 <Schultz> on a different note - is there any news about gcompris? maybe we can work that in too 19:46:38 <ennael> Qt port is in progress 19:46:52 <ennael> still maybe not ready for use 19:47:06 <ennael> I mean limited activities available for now 19:48:12 <Akien> Maybe we could work along two lines for the PR/release announcement: 19:48:35 <Akien> - what's Mageia and why is it so nice? (for people who don't know Mageia) 19:48:52 <Akien> - what's new? (for Mageia users or people who know about it already) 19:49:31 <Akien> Not necessarily by making a clear separation between the two lines, but we should keep in mind to address both 19:49:45 <ennael> yep 19:49:55 <holden87> Great outline Akien: 19:50:40 <Schultz> Sounds good to me 19:52:22 <filip_> should we go to next point? 19:52:47 <ennael> so PR is one thing 19:52:51 <ennael> web site now. 19:53:15 <holden87> Sorry for offtopic, but i must run. Will there be a log published, so I can add my thoughts on the mailing list? 19:53:33 <ennael> sure 19:53:42 <filip_> #link https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5_pressrelease 19:53:44 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 19:53:51 <ennael> holden87: http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-atelier/2015/ 19:53:52 <[mbot> [ Index of /mageia-atelier/2015 ] 19:54:02 <ennael> for the log 19:54:40 <holden87> Thanks, bookmarked. I'll get to you tomorrow early afternoon. Bye! 19:55:03 <Akien> See you holden87 :) 19:56:05 <ennael> ok so web site ? :) 19:56:19 <filip_> yeah. priority 19:58:33 <filip_> we need a mga5 release pages. who can work on that? 20:00:16 <ennael> which page is it? 20:00:26 <filip_> http://www.mageia.org/5/ 20:00:27 <[mbot> [ Download Mageia 5 beta3 ] 20:00:49 <filip_> for now it's only DL page 20:01:05 <filip_> we need some presentation pages 20:02:33 <Akien> What about David Brandl's new design? 20:03:00 <Akien> Is it on hold for now? I guess if we haven't starting working on migrating to it we won't do it just before the release :) 20:03:02 <ennael> do you have an url. 20:03:10 <ennael> ? 20:03:25 <leuhmanu> no news from him 20:03:35 <Akien> ennael: For the content, if we keep the same design, we need something like http://www.mageia.org/4 20:03:36 <[mbot> [ Mageia 4 ] 20:03:38 <leuhmanu> (and for myself I told I need content... 20:04:09 <Akien> Though it would be nice to have something "new" or more interesting, like slides showing Mageia and presenting the community, etc 20:04:23 <leuhmanu> yep 20:04:36 <ennael> we could use pictures from various events 20:07:19 <leuhmanu> "If you need something just call me... " in frebruary from him, maybe my previous was not good 20:08:01 <ennael> if we have all piece it's not too late 20:08:05 <ennael> but it should be started now 20:08:20 <ennael> new release is a good moment to renew web site 20:09:19 <ennael> looks like url is not working anymore 20:09:37 <leuhmanu> which one ? 20:10:16 <Akien> If we have the design ready at hand, I can probably help to migrate some of the existing content 20:10:30 <filip_> it stopped to work some months ago 20:12:04 <ennael> can we try to ping him. 20:12:05 <ennael> ? 20:12:08 <filip_> Akien: it was very different from current. It's unrealistic to make a transition in a month 20:12:43 <ennael> fine let's keep the old one then... 20:13:05 <Akien> filip_: Fine by me 20:14:14 <filip_> Akien: you can try to ping him to send the files 20:16:38 <Akien> Sure, at any rate we can still work on it post-release if we like the new design 20:16:45 <Akien> (it looked great IMO) 20:16:58 <Akien> There should still be some screenshot preview on the ML btw 20:17:11 <filip_> Akien: it did but there are more than 25 php pages. so to do all files within a month it's a challenge 20:17:58 <filip_> at least 34 to be exact 20:18:43 <filip_> we just can't fix a few pages. I think we should try to be consistent. it's too messy already 20:19:57 <filip_> take a look at: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Atelier_Current_apps_%26_sites#Particular_WWW_pages_with_TODO_status 20:21:40 <filip_> sorry: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Atelier_Current_apps_%26_sites 20:22:00 <filip_> for bigger picture 20:23:51 <filip_> can we go on. leuhmanu still need content in either case 20:24:14 <filip_> who will provide it? 20:24:36 <filip_> sorry. who can provide it? 20:24:39 <Akien> We can probably reuse most of the existing content? 20:24:50 <ennael> except Mageia 5 tab 20:25:11 <Akien> Ah indeed sorry, I was still on the new design. Priority should be Mageia 5 text indeed 20:25:27 <Akien> I guess some of the PR brainstorming might be useful for that 20:25:33 <leuhmanu> yes 20:25:45 <Akien> I'll try to have a look at other distro's websites to get ideas 20:25:49 <Akien> :-D 20:26:09 <filip_> http://www.mageia.org/3/ was richer than http://www.mageia.org/4. lets stop the trend ;) 20:26:10 <[mbot> [ Mageia 3 ] 20:26:34 <leuhmanu> mlo one is great but I didn't found time to try something similar 20:26:44 <filip_> indeed it is 20:26:53 <Akien> Maybe we can ask the MLO guy to give us a hand? 20:26:56 <filip_> can we contact webmasters? 20:27:05 <Akien> Adrien_D, he's on #mageia-fr and #MLO 20:28:18 <leuhmanu> (and if we can avoid listing version of soft in such static web like in 3) 20:28:41 <filip_> +1 20:28:49 <filip_> https://mageialinux.ru/ is not bad 20:28:51 <[mbot> [ Русскоязычное сообщество пользователей Mageia ] 20:29:33 <Akien> I have to go, but I'll catch up with the logs and try to help on this (at least with ideas and maybe some content, I'll let you handle the technical side) 20:29:40 <leuhmanu> wordpress 20:30:25 <leuhmanu> (and mlo phpboost) 20:34:20 <filip_> any phpboost doc in eng? 20:35:55 <leuhmanu> no ideas, but I don't think you want a cms now, or I am wrong, :) 20:36:13 <leuhmanu> have to leave too, see you on ml or here 20:36:23 <filip_> true. I don't like them now 20:36:32 <filip_> ok. bye 20:37:21 <ennael> ok so on web side we need that page 20:37:27 <ennael> so basically all comes from PR 20:37:54 <filip_> some dev & doc input would be nice too 20:38:23 <filip_> not to much technical but some details are nice 20:39:38 <leuhmanu> (saw this some month http://devrama.com/static/devrama-slider/example-elements-animation.php , now I'm leaving :) ) 20:39:39 <[mbot> [ jQuery plugin Slider - elements animation example ] 20:40:05 <filip_> ennael: I guess we can close web part. we're decimated :(. 20:40:16 <ennael> erf 20:40:50 <ennael> well I guess we can stop for tonight and maybe fix another quick meeting in 1 week about PR 20:41:04 <filip_> sounds nice 20:44:07 <filip_> ennael: will you end the meeting or ...? 20:44:36 <filip_> #link http://devrama.com/static/devrama-slider/example-elements-animation.php 20:44:37 <[mbot> [ jQuery plugin Slider - elements animation example ] 20:45:53 <ennael> ok 20:46:05 <ennael> thanks for being there and let's make Mageia 5 a success :) 20:46:10 <ennael> #endmeeting