19:02:53 <grenoya> #startmeeting 19:02:53 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Wed Apr 23 19:02:53 2014 UTC. The chair is grenoya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:53 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:53 <leuhmanu> yep (and sorry I forgotted to rebuild i18n po) 19:03:03 <grenoya> #chair filip leuhmanu akien 19:03:03 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: akien filip grenoya leuhmanu 19:03:26 <grenoya> #topic answer for council (needs and objectives for mga5) 19:03:49 <grenoya> our first topic is the main reason we are meeting tonight. 19:04:36 <grenoya> Mainly, council asked us 2 things: what are our needs (space, money)? and what do we plan for mga5 independently of features ? 19:05:06 <grenoya> let's start with the needs! 19:05:19 <grenoya> filip: do you have some in mind? 19:06:05 <filip> I wonder about some web space for pdf and epub files for doc site 19:06:58 <filip> It's a bit sad that we and doc team work for it and now it's unpublished 19:07:16 <grenoya> do we have any idea of the how mush we need for that? 19:07:44 <filip> I'm not sure but it can be 100MB of space 19:08:32 <grenoya> my last calculation was 330Mo 19:08:43 <grenoya> mcc doc is 8Mo (for each format) x 9 languages, installer is 5Mo x 18 languages 19:09:28 <grenoya> (Mo == MB) 19:09:34 <leuhmanu> and a VCS is not really good for that I guess ? 19:09:40 <filip> does anybody know if atelier team in general have already some ftp space or something? 19:09:45 <grenoya> leuhmanu: definitly not! 19:09:55 <filip> those files are binary 19:10:04 <grenoya> it's binaries and it can change a lot even after a release 19:10:24 <filip> there is no point to be in vcs 19:10:35 <filip> they are generated anyway 19:10:51 <leuhmanu> sure 19:10:56 <leuhmanu> tmb planned to do something http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-meeting/2014/mageia-meeting.2014-03-10-20.39.html 19:11:41 <grenoya> oh! I didn't knew 19:11:51 <filip> was there any progress on that? 19:12:22 <leuhmanu> http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/?view=log I see nothing 19:12:50 <grenoya> so we can remind council aout that and specify the minimum size, WDYM? 19:13:01 <grenoya> s/WDYM/WDYT 19:13:09 <filip> so that is definitly our need 19:13:27 <filip> we should start with at least 0,5 GB 19:13:57 <filip> is ftp ok for that? 19:14:05 <grenoya> my 330MB is per each mga release 19:14:34 <filip> right. 19:16:00 <filip> should be create an action or something for this? 19:16:36 <grenoya> do you think it's worth keeping every binary document for each release or only the last 2? 19:16:49 <grenoya> filip: what kind of action? 19:17:13 <filip> # one ;) 19:17:15 <leuhmanu> #info check status of ftp space for web/marcomm/doc 19:17:27 <filip> thx leuhmanuć 19:17:47 <grenoya> I just had tmb on #mageia-dev 19:18:18 <grenoya> #info < tmb> grenoya, I'll try to have some time to fix it this weekend...I'll add it to the calendar in my phone so I dont forget again 19:18:26 <filip> great 19:18:28 <leuhmanu> hehe :) 19:18:41 <filip> tmb is the man 19:19:15 <grenoya> So, do we need other things from sysadmins? 19:20:00 <filip> it would be nice to know if they plan to move web to git but no rush :) 19:20:33 <grenoya> #action grenoya will ping Coling to have news about git migration for web 19:21:10 <grenoya> anything to buy? 19:21:36 <filip> I don't see it right now. 19:22:14 <grenoya> than let's talk about our plans for mga5 19:23:25 <filip> I think that leuhmanu's page for prerelease (alpha, beta, rc) of mga5 is ok. but we should do something for release page. 19:24:14 <grenoya> we have also talk about homogenizing our pages and nav 19:24:18 <grenoya> and translation 19:25:13 <filip> yes. I think alignement is the most important to "fix" 19:27:15 <leuhmanu> centered css ? 19:27:16 <grenoya> the prerelease pages you're talking about are the currently used? 19:27:46 <grenoya> leuhmanu: so new css? 19:27:50 <grenoya> or renew css 19:28:00 <leuhmanu> http://svnweb.mageia.org/web/www/trunk/en/5/download_index.php?revision=3179&view=markup 19:28:07 <filip> #action filip push two pages: centered and left aligned 19:28:28 <leuhmanu> and cleaning 19:28:45 <filip> or http://www.mageia.org/5/ 19:29:18 <leuhmanu> I wanted to beggin but I don't know what is not really needed so I forget it 19:29:59 <grenoya> so the plan is to renew only release page or release and prerelease pages? 19:30:48 <leuhmanu> release page, but what exactly, download + everything ? 19:31:22 <grenoya> right now we just have to explain to the other teams what we are planning to do 19:32:09 <grenoya> so talking about the release page and the homogenization and renew css should be good 19:32:22 <grenoya> if we are too precise we'll lost every one :) 19:32:28 <leuhmanu> indeed 19:32:56 <sebsebseb> hi 19:32:58 <grenoya> (I'll try to write several lines with that, though)) 19:33:11 <grenoya> sebsebseb: hi! meeting in progress 19:33:27 <grenoya> filip: are you OK with that? 19:33:28 <sebsebseb> grenoya: yep that's why I am here 19:34:17 <filip> I'm Ok with that :) 19:34:18 <leuhmanu> #info leuhmanu is slowly searching a more addaptive centered style 19:34:58 <grenoya> #action grenoya will email a small text to atelier ML for validation before sending to council 19:35:32 <grenoya> next topic ? 19:35:48 <leuhmanu> yep 19:36:07 <grenoya> #topic actions review 19:36:40 <grenoya> filip had an action on building 2 pages for me. 19:37:13 <grenoya> filip: still to do I guess ? (you readded it :) ) 19:37:21 <filip> sorry I already make an action :) 19:37:36 <filip> will be done asap 19:37:39 <grenoya> no prob :) 19:37:46 <grenoya> Stormi: ping? 19:38:24 <grenoya> I did part of my work: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/User:Grenoya#Current_apps_.26_sites:_status 19:38:38 <grenoya> but there is still a lot to do about it 19:38:49 <grenoya> I miss advisories pages in it for example 19:39:38 <filip> it's a good overview. 19:39:43 <grenoya> during my work I've found that page: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Atelier_Webteam#Current_apps_.26_sites 19:39:52 <grenoya> that's definitly not up to date :( 19:39:57 <filip> we can improve anything if we have time and resources ;) 19:40:07 <grenoya> filip: so true! :) 19:40:17 <leuhmanu> I removed charter.html as a link of about/media 19:41:09 <grenoya> leuhmanu: maybe that page too needs some love 19:41:29 <leuhmanu> >http://svnweb.mageia.org/web/www/trunk/en/about/index.php?r1=3205&r2=3204&pathrev=3205 sorry was'nt in commit log 19:41:37 <leuhmanu> well it's kind of obsolete 19:41:52 <leuhmanu> like some dl page 19:42:06 <leuhmanu> I'm in favor of removing them 19:42:47 <grenoya> the charter is an important page for new contributors, I'm against removing it 19:43:07 <grenoya> but it really needs some work to be up to date and not only from us 19:43:24 <grenoya> maybe we should imply artwork in it, WDYT? 19:43:45 <leuhmanu> "This draft guide is to help" 19:43:47 <filip> definitelly 19:44:09 <leuhmanu> and is not visible 19:44:22 <leuhmanu> on the french forum, nobody talked about it 19:44:29 <grenoya> would you both agree to ask artwork to clean it and point it from wiki? 19:44:38 <filip> there are some other pages in sad state like about/report and timeline is really dull too 19:45:10 <filip> grenoya: I agree 19:45:21 <leuhmanu> ok 19:45:29 <filip> we should try to improve it first 19:45:44 <grenoya> #action grenoya will mail atelier/artwork about charter page 19:46:25 <filip> what do you think about about/report and timeline pages? 19:46:28 <grenoya> filip: you proposed to add repository location in my page, do you have any idea how to chase pages? :) 19:46:57 <filip> grenoya: chase pages? 19:47:34 <grenoya> filip: reports are a legal need 19:47:42 <grenoya> and I can't find the timeline one 19:47:54 <grenoya> filip: chase -> hunt 19:48:04 <grenoya> (bad frenglish) 19:48:14 <leuhmanu> http://www.mageia.org/en/timeline/ 19:48:39 <grenoya> ooh! 19:48:44 <grenoya> scary 19:48:51 <filip> and outdated 19:49:17 <grenoya> we can ask council if it's also for the association or not 19:49:55 <filip> for the association? 19:50:17 <grenoya> mageia.org is an association under french law 19:50:31 <grenoya> reports and general assembly are mandatory for it 19:50:40 <grenoya> maybe the timeline is linked to it 19:50:50 <filip> what is the connection with timeline? 19:51:27 <grenoya> it may be considered as a kind of report, I don't know. that's the only justification I can find for it 19:51:46 <filip> there is hardly any content on http://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/ 19:52:20 <filip> I'm talking about adding some content and life there ;) 19:52:34 <grenoya> it's supposed to be one moral and one financial per year 19:53:05 <filip> "supposed" ;) 19:54:06 <filip> leuhmanu: can you add mga4 and FOSDEMto timeline? 19:54:09 <grenoya> maybe we could find a better way to render that time line on the report page. that'll give it some life, no? 19:54:23 <leuhmanu> sure 19:54:27 <filip> yeah. I like that 19:54:47 <filip> leuhmanu: thx. but don't forget to rebuild pot files ;) 19:54:55 <leuhmanu> filip: yep 19:55:07 <filip> grenoya: do you have any example now? 19:56:21 <filip> should we make about/reports/ similar as timeline? 19:56:31 <grenoya> I have ideas in mind but I don't thing we have examples in our web site 19:57:03 <grenoya> it's one possibility. 19:57:32 <grenoya> otherwize we could put an horizontal timeline on top and the current report content under it 19:57:35 <leuhmanu> or add the financial report in timiline 19:57:55 <grenoya> what do you prefer: vertical? 19:58:31 <filip> we should see it. It's not easy to imagine it for me at least ;) 19:59:06 <leuhmanu> (great local apache down :( ..) 19:59:06 <grenoya> you want me to draw to two possibilities for next time? 19:59:27 <filip> leuhmanu: I'm not sure that the nature of financial report is to fit in timiline 19:59:52 <filip> grenoya: you can send a mockup on ML 19:59:54 <grenoya> filip: not the content, but the link, at each AG 20:00:26 <grenoya> filip: by action you mean HTML or PP rendering? 20:00:31 <grenoya> PHP* 20:00:52 <filip> mockup can be anything. even png ;) 20:01:02 <grenoya> ok :) 20:01:02 <filip> something really simple 20:01:17 <filip> can be draw by hand or something 20:01:29 <grenoya> #action grenoya will send a mockup for timeline+reports together 20:01:46 <leuhmanu> oh map link to treasurer for financial 20:01:53 <grenoya> I had another action but did not worked on it yet 20:03:30 <grenoya> leuhmanu: I don't see link on treasurer page to reports 20:04:11 <leuhmanu> me too 20:04:27 <leuhmanu> switch to about/report ? 20:04:50 <filip> There are links on http://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/ or do I miss something? 20:05:00 <leuhmanu> http://www.mageia.org/en/map/ 20:05:23 <grenoya> < leuhmanu> oh map link to treasurer for financial 20:05:37 <grenoya> I thought you were talking about the financial reports 20:05:53 <leuhmanu> sorry wrong translation 20:06:13 <filip> sorry for mess. we should focus on one page ata time ;) 20:06:24 <grenoya> treasurer is more a everyday status. annual reports are legal needs 20:06:32 <filip> on map there is "Financial Infos" link 20:07:28 <leuhmanu> filip: yep sorry in the french infos is not 'info' 20:07:51 <grenoya> leuhmanu: translation bug then :) 20:08:33 <grenoya> for the 2 undone actions, should I re'action' them? 20:09:27 <filip> which actions do you mean? 20:10:07 <grenoya> help Stormi with nav and rethink nav for deferent alignements 20:10:33 <grenoya> I add mine not to forget it :) 20:11:09 <grenoya> oh no, just the one to help Stormi 20:11:22 <grenoya> did one of you helped him? 20:11:41 <filip> I didn't. what was needed? 20:12:29 <leuhmanu> nav bar localisation ? 20:12:45 <leuhmanu> It's partialy fixed 20:13:17 <grenoya> for madb? 20:13:42 <leuhmanu> for everywhere it's used beside www.m.o 20:13:53 <leuhmanu> where there is no issue 20:14:23 <grenoya> the question is what was Stormi need? 20:14:29 <filip> I convert it to gettext and it seems to work 20:14:54 <filip> leuhmanu: what is actually missing? 20:15:07 <leuhmanu> pt-br 20:15:31 <filip> aha. you'll fix it in a blink of an eye ;) 20:15:45 <leuhmanu> and zh-* 20:17:22 <filip> if you need regex there is locale_hyphen_underscore function in langs.inc.php 20:18:28 <grenoya> so what was Stormi problem? 20:18:40 <leuhmanu> looks like I need to take several function from here yes 20:19:12 <leuhmanu> "Sorry for being unclear. I was talking about the language selection in the 20:19:15 <leuhmanu> navigation bar. http://dev2.madb.org/ lacks it at the moment 20:19:17 <leuhmanu> " 20:19:33 <grenoya> oh. OK then. 20:19:50 <grenoya> so we have finish with action riview. 20:20:08 <grenoya> Should we pass to next topic or stop there for tonight? 20:20:38 <filip> I'm tired. sorry 20:20:43 <leuhmanu> as you want 20:20:46 <grenoya> my too /o\ 20:21:09 <grenoya> should we try to have one meetin gavery 2 weeks? 20:21:18 <grenoya> meeting every* 20:22:39 <grenoya> filip: ? leuhmanu: ? 20:23:14 <filip> It seems like a good idea to me 20:23:18 <leuhmanu> ok 20:23:23 <grenoya> good :) 20:23:32 <grenoya> than time to stop :) 20:23:42 <grenoya> #endmeeting