19:03:34 <filip_> #startmeeting 19:03:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Apr 3 19:03:34 2014 UTC. The chair is filip_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:48 <filip_> #chair grenoya 19:03:48 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: filip_ grenoya 19:04:13 <filip_> hi there. Thanks for beeing here 19:04:21 <grenoya> hi 19:04:43 <filip_> First I like to see us as equals 19:04:57 <Stormi> filip_: np 19:05:04 <Stormi> (hi) 19:05:39 <filip_> that's the reason for grenoya charing it too. grenoya I hope you agree with that. 19:05:47 <grenoya> ok 19:06:01 <filip_> thx. so first topic is 19:06:36 <filip_> #topic coherent and unified view of or web pages 19:08:04 <filip_> so any proposal what we can be improved? 19:08:43 <grenoya> I think most of us agree on the "center" is better than "left", don't we? 19:08:50 <filip_> I do 19:09:09 <filip_> Stormi: can you comment that? 19:09:19 <filip_> leuhmanu: ping 19:10:30 <filip_> grenoya: I hope for another voice on that topic ;) 19:10:36 <grenoya> :)) 19:11:03 <grenoya> ok, than next assertion: 19:11:12 <Stormi> well, I don't know what's the best but I'm used to our centered layout now 19:11:34 <grenoya> "we need a new design" 19:11:50 <Stormi> (but for madb centered makes it weird) 19:12:20 <grenoya> #info the centered design was the first one, the left align (never totally deploied) came after 19:12:44 <grenoya> I think mognase came with the second design 19:13:11 <filip_> grenoya: I agee on that "new design" too. but as Stormi point out several sites are influenced 19:13:30 <filip_> grenoya: It makes sense 19:14:05 <grenoya> Stormi: for me it's not choking if madb is not totally following Mga design 19:14:07 <filip_> grenoya: are you willing to work on new design if we agree on it? 19:14:41 <grenoya> so my idea is we have to find a mognase design that could fit center and left align 19:15:23 <grenoya> filip_: yes, but I will need people to comment on it without fear of hurting me :) 19:16:03 <filip_> abaout mognase I had the same idea ;) 19:16:38 <filip_> That would improve things a lot 19:17:17 <grenoya> so, if we all agree, the first task would be a new mognase design, isn't it? 19:17:28 <filip_> grenoya: I'm all for it 19:17:41 <Stormi> does centered + left-aligned cover all cases? 19:17:57 <Stormi> wiki has 100% width layout 19:18:12 <grenoya> good point 19:18:18 <filip_> grenoya: we can setup a nonlinked test page on live server 19:18:20 <Stormi> madb does 100% until about 1080 pixels then stops growing 19:18:44 <Stormi> or is it 1200 19:18:47 <filip_> Stormi: great observation 19:18:48 <Stormi> well you get the idea :) 19:19:12 <grenoya> so we need several test pages to check each case 19:19:36 <grenoya> filip_: I like the unlinked page, but you know that already :) 19:19:40 <filip_> so basically if we go with max-width, left alignement and OTOH centered 19:20:25 <grenoya> filip_: would you feel like preparing those test pages? 19:20:27 <filip_> wdy about all of them in test dir with different names? 19:20:30 <sebsebseb> ok here now for meeting 19:20:33 <sebsebseb> but need to catc up 19:20:34 <Stormi> do we have a rule for what layout for what pages? 19:20:59 <grenoya> Stormi: what do you mean? 19:21:14 <filip_> welcome sebsebseb 19:21:37 <Stormi> well, if we have several layouts, that's because in some cases we will use one and in somes cases the other 19:21:46 <filip_> Stormi: none that I know off. And that is the thing that piss me off ;) 19:21:49 <Stormi> not talking about current situation but of the goal 19:22:10 <filip_> Stormi: \o/ 19:22:18 <grenoya> Stormi: we have identified madb, the wiki, www, blog 19:22:34 <grenoya> am I missing some? 19:22:43 <sebsebseb> have you got example design links? 19:22:47 <sebsebseb> for what is being talked about etc 19:22:48 <Stormi> forums 19:23:02 <filip_> there are also some others: mirrors, bugs, advisory, people 19:23:05 <grenoya> pkgsubmit 19:23:16 * sebsebseb doesn't really care that much about the forums, IRC for the win :d shame about the lack of people though on Mageia channels though hmm 19:23:21 <Stormi> bugzilla 19:23:32 <filip_> sebsebseb: please on topic 19:23:42 <Stormi> (although I'm OK with specific tools having specific aspect and sharing the same header) 19:24:04 <Stormi> there's sympa 19:24:21 <sebsebseb> same Mageia header should be used on the lot I guess, main website, forums, wiki, etc, it's part of the brand 19:24:33 <filip_> Stormi: would you volunteer for a "mockup" of our strategy of each page? 19:24:44 <Stormi> I thought only madb lacked the navigation bar but actually it's not alone 19:25:08 <Stormi> filip_: unfortunately, I can't commit to much more than a meeting from time to time, giving ideas, and madb 19:25:16 <filip_> sebsebseb: topic is how to improve it not if we use it or not 19:25:34 <Stormi> and by "commit" I'm not talking of a VCS but of commitment :) 19:25:45 <filip_> I 19:25:50 <filip_> agree 19:26:15 <sebsebseb> oh how to improve the navigation oh right ok 19:26:16 <sebsebseb> hmm 19:26:28 <grenoya> filip_: I can do a list of the pages and see what alignement it's using 19:26:36 <filip_> grenoya: \o/ 19:26:49 <filip_> can I do that as an action? 19:27:06 <grenoya> yep! 19:27:12 <filip_> #action grenoya will do a list of the pages and see what alignement it's using 19:27:48 <Stormi> grenoya: and maybe also list whether they use the navbar or not 19:27:55 <filip_> #action filip_ will create pages for different design when needed 19:28:07 <Stormi> grenoya: and whether they respect navbar translation or not :) 19:28:26 <grenoya> Stormi: of course 19:28:39 <Stormi> example: select german, go to community, click IRC => navgar back in english 19:28:56 <Stormi> navbar 19:28:57 <grenoya> #action grenoya will also check if pages have navbar (and its translation) 19:29:05 <Stormi> (I like that new word, navgar) 19:29:13 <filip_> about navigation. Does it even makes sense to translate nav if page is in English only? 19:29:22 <sebsebseb> yes I think so 19:29:26 <grenoya> yes 19:29:29 <sebsebseb> the more that is translated the better really 19:30:07 <Stormi> user doesn't expect navbar to change language from one page to another 19:30:09 <filip_> but the user will then switch to nonexisting language 19:30:10 <sebsebseb> and all the pages should be in the differnet languages to not just English realy for some, but that's another topic :d 19:30:15 <grenoya> filip_: if page A is translated, I go to page B which is not, fall back in English, when I'll go back to A it's in English :/ 19:30:35 <filip_> grenoya: excellent point 19:30:36 <Stormi> can't we have the navbar in german and the page in english? 19:30:45 <grenoya> filip_: isn't nav and page language decorrelated? 19:30:53 <filip_> Stormi: technically yes 19:31:18 <filip_> TBH I didn't digg that deep yet 19:31:50 <filip_> I think that navbar picks lang from the page 19:32:41 <filip_> but it makes sense to use language on English only pages too 19:32:45 <grenoya> filip_: you're better than me with lang stuff, would you have a look at that? 19:33:34 <Stormi> the difficulty is that if we want users to select their navbar's language from anywhere, they might think that it will translate the underlying site actually 19:33:34 <filip_> of course. but Some web pages are not copied directly from VCS but they need to be build 19:33:46 <filip_> Stormi: +1 19:34:19 <Stormi> so we would need some kind of "This page is not available in your language, switching to english version" (preferrably, this message being translated) 19:34:31 <Stormi> probably not that easy to do coherently everywhere 19:34:41 <filip_> true 19:35:12 <filip_> but false hope is still better than to loose _chosen_ language 19:35:49 <Stormi> probably 19:36:09 <filip_> Stormi: where we should put such a warning? 19:36:44 <Stormi> I don't know :) 19:36:56 <Stormi> some people risk seeing it often 19:37:25 <filip_> true 19:37:34 <Stormi> I'd put it in a notification coming from the right or from the left, or at the top, with an option to not show it anymore 19:37:36 <filip_> could be annoying 19:37:51 <Stormi> very visible first time, but quickly gotten rid of 19:38:03 <filip_> but w/o cookies it will be always there 19:38:25 <filip_> so we need to remember the state 19:38:36 <Stormi> which makes it more complicated :P 19:38:42 <filip_> and prefereably explain that 19:38:58 <filip_> privacy and stuff 19:40:00 <filip_> should we start w/o such a warning and maybe add it later 19:40:43 <Stormi> I think so 19:41:03 <Stormi> when switching language people will have some feedback: the navbar itself 19:41:11 <Stormi> so they now that it actually did something 19:41:44 <Stormi> so warning could come later 19:41:54 <filip_> yeah. still a progrees 19:43:31 <filip_> can anyone try to package a mirrors web site 19:43:51 <filip_> now it's at least a version behind 19:44:06 <filip_> ups. sorry for skiping a topic 19:44:47 <filip_> my health is in really bad shape. 19:45:14 <filip_> sorry. brb 19:50:10 <filip_> I'm back 19:50:53 <grenoya> I think points 3(mirror) and 4(storage) could be discuss on ML 19:51:16 <grenoya> is that OK for you? 19:51:36 <filip_> sorry guys. I'm not up to this task today 19:51:56 <grenoya> #info 'Testing and packaging of mirrors.mageia.org 19:52:02 <grenoya> #undo 19:52:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x85f522c> 19:52:06 <filip_> I got tempreture 19:52:13 <grenoya> #info 'Testing and packaging of mirrors.mageia.org' should be discussed on ML 19:52:33 <filip_> and inclusion of madb 19:52:38 <grenoya> #info 'Our needs for sysadmins' will be discussed on ML too 19:53:03 <grenoya> filip_: you mean inclusion of madb in www or inclusion mognase on madb page? 19:53:10 <grenoya> filip_: or just a link? 19:54:01 <filip_> Stormi would like to include madb to our structure and I support that 19:55:07 <Stormi> first step being the nav bar 19:55:34 <filip_> yeah. IIUC you'll do that yourself 19:55:43 <Stormi> yes, one it's decided it's OK 19:55:44 <grenoya> so we continue the discussion on ML 19:55:46 <Stormi> once 19:55:53 <Stormi> ok for me about the ML 19:56:04 <grenoya> you want a #action? 19:56:09 <grenoya> or info? 19:56:18 <filip_> we also need to test navbar somewhere 19:56:43 <grenoya> filip_: on the test page you will prepare, no? 19:56:43 <filip_> grenoya: either way is ok. but action is more important 19:57:02 <filip_> navbar is basically mognase 19:57:14 <grenoya> so action on whom? 19:57:23 <filip_> so we need to find a technical way of testing it 19:57:43 <filip_> action on no persion is fine toio 19:58:24 <grenoya> #action anyone help Stormi to have navbar on madb 19:58:55 <grenoya> anything else to say? 19:59:18 <filip_> Sorry I'm unable to think now 19:59:41 <grenoya> filip_: ok 19:59:47 <grenoya> #stopmeeting 19:59:51 <grenoya> #endmeeting