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17:20:33 <TeaAge> #chair rda
17:20:33 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: TeaAge rda
17:20:47 <TeaAge> first of all, thx for your comming
17:20:55 <TeaAge> please enjoy the meeting :D
17:21:05 <TeaAge> #topic font
17:21:36 <TeaAge> tumbeliina: can you give us an update. I've send your daugther my work, but didn't get a respond
17:22:27 <tumbeliina> she got your mail, but her pc was in other apartmet, so she cant do anything
17:22:40 <TeaAge> ah ok
17:23:08 <tumbeliina> and she'll go to childrens camp to next week
17:23:09 <TeaAge> but can she start with the work in the near future? Or did she already started?
17:23:33 <tumbeliina> at least she talk about to start :)
17:23:40 <TeaAge> ok cool
17:23:54 <tumbeliina> but she is artist ;)
17:24:07 <TeaAge> do you know if she can use my work or did she has the start from the scratch?
17:24:30 <tumbeliina> i 'll call her now and ask
17:24:47 <TeaAge> :)
17:25:29 <TeaAge> it's not very urgent but is nice to have a state of the work
17:26:27 <tumbeliina> ok
17:27:28 <TeaAge> let's get to the next topic?
17:29:10 <TeaAge> #topic colour palate and poster
17:29:32 <TeaAge> I combined the two topics, because there is nothing new
17:30:06 <TeaAge> I haven't had time to work on the colour theme (summer months are always busy for me)
17:30:38 <TeaAge> and as Max isn't available, he can't contribute to the meeting ^^
17:31:27 <TeaAge> #info nothing new here
17:31:31 <Max__> I'm here!
17:31:38 <Max__> Sorry about that...
17:31:50 <TeaAge> ah ok, cool
17:32:33 <TeaAge> so, have you been more productive than me?
17:33:03 <Max__> I have. :)
17:33:08 <TeaAge> great!
17:33:40 <TeaAge> so, the stage is yours
17:33:50 <TeaAge> what have you done?
17:33:51 <Max__> Since I couldn't put stuff on the Mageia servers I had to improvise. Have a look at this: http://mageia.thatside.net/
17:34:43 <Max__> I made 3 mock-posters for imaginary events. Two of them are ODT files, so that they can be used as templates and changed. The third is a PNG. You can find the background images for all three posters there.
17:34:57 <TeaAge> let's take trishf42 into this topic :)
17:35:07 <Max__> They are rather large because I used an A4 size image with a 300 ppi for quality printing.
17:35:14 <trishf42> I'm looking, I'm looking!
17:35:22 <TeaAge> :)
17:35:22 <trishf42> You've done heaps, Max__!
17:35:39 <Max__> I also created a palette from some of the colors I used. Magic to me is purples and blues, so that's what I did.
17:36:04 <Max__> Furthermore, I made a GIMP pattern from Alex's original bubble background, so that we can use it in different sized images.
17:37:24 <Max__> Everything there is CC-by-SA. Like we agreed upon.
17:37:41 <trishf42> I like the spare layouts, and as a contrast I'd like to see a white background with the palette colours used for accents (lines &c) and the text
17:37:50 <trishf42> Can you do that too, Max__?
17:38:10 <Max__> I'm not sure I understand.
17:38:35 <trishf42> I'll take a look at one of the odt files later, and see if I can mock up something to show you
17:38:59 <Max__> Also, the pictures there are used with wobo's permission. TeaAge do they look familiar? :P
17:39:39 <Max__> I can create a palette with the colors used as highlights and the text, but it'll be boring. Mostly black and white with a few subtle shades of gray.
17:39:57 <trishf42> Did someone say we're getting a designer soon?
17:40:22 <trishf42> maybe I should wait until they're on board, wdyt?
17:41:09 <TeaAge> Max__: yes some persons on the pictures looks familiar to me ;)
17:41:32 <TeaAge> trishf42: I havn't told the good news til now
17:41:45 <trishf42> TeaAge: sorry...
17:41:49 <TeaAge> :)
17:42:16 <TeaAge> but yes, I was also thinking about waiting until she is here
17:42:47 <TeaAge> so, Good News: A new designer will join us in the next weeks :D
17:42:59 <Max__> Ooh, a real designer. Not just some shmoe who thinks he knows what he's doing :P
17:43:02 <tumbeliina> Max__, nice job :)
17:43:17 <TeaAge> Max__: yes, a real real designer :)
17:43:22 <Max__> Only I get to call myself a shmoe, btw.
17:43:27 <TeaAge> we can load her all our work :D
17:44:17 <Max__> Thanks tumbeliina.
17:44:46 <Max__> Do we want to discuss some of the designs I used? The background images? The colors?
17:45:37 <TeaAge> I like the clean design
17:45:56 <Max__> Which?
17:46:15 <TeaAge> of all three posters (the pngs)
17:46:34 <Max__> Yeah, that's where I spent most of my time.
17:47:06 <TeaAge> I'm very unfamiliar with posters at all, but I guess poster should be light?
17:47:31 <Max__> I can't honestly say that the colors in the palette are those I used, since I used color blending and did it by feel. Until it looked "right". The colors in the palette are more or less the colors I got.
17:47:31 <rda> have to go guys, sorry; thanks for the updates, I'll check the log
17:48:00 <TeaAge> that's absolutly fine
17:49:05 <Max__> I think, (and I am not a professional designer) that posters need to be colorfull enough to catch the eye and make it interesting, but light enough so that the content can be read easily.
17:49:23 <Max__> Of course, changing font color to match the background as we go along can work too.
17:51:33 <TeaAge> as I sad ... I'm not very confident in such topics ... maybe in the internet there is a short guide about some pster rules ... couldn't be bad to read such guids
17:53:00 <tumbeliina> imho Max__ said The Point of poster
17:53:03 <TeaAge> but I found you colour palette very useable
17:54:03 <TeaAge> posters are for printing ... they have completly unique rules :)
17:54:16 <trishf42> If I can swing in here - I think what we need is not Rules for Posters, but some Layout Guidelines.
17:54:28 <Max__> The bottome-center (DF013A) is one of the highlight colors we had decided on, and that's the color of the red-glowing couldron in poster1.png.
17:55:04 <trishf42> Layout being about the areas on the page/sheet/poster, where text goes, where colour goes, where pictures go - how big they are, the position of them - so that the whole thing is attractive, balanced and eye-catching.
17:55:09 <trishf42> Does that make sense?
17:55:20 <Max__> It does.
17:55:41 <tumbeliina> agree
17:55:42 <trishf42> There are many ways to lay something out - we want one that says Mageia! loudly, and doesn't look like anyone else's.
17:55:58 <Max__> This seems to go into great depth about that. I briefly skimmed it. http://abacus.bates.edu/~bpfohl/posters/
17:56:33 <trishf42> I think your layouts are well on the way, Max - we just need to refine our ideas so that the posters, the website, the splash screens - all look like they come from the same place.
17:56:38 <Max__> trishf42: the huge couldron there is a dead giveaway. Also logo and website respectively in bottom-right and bottom-left.
17:56:41 <trishf42> Sound sane?
17:56:50 <Max__> Yup.
17:56:57 <trishf42> Indeed our cauldron is a wondrous thing, and its bubbles! I love it.
17:57:07 <trishf42> Just so we don't cover it up...
17:57:23 <Max__> That's why I put another one on the bottom...
17:57:41 <tumbeliina> :)
17:58:09 <trishf42> The poster site you linked to seems to be more about poster-session posters at conferences - not so much marketing posters for exhibitions
17:58:16 <trishf42> I like yours better for marketing
17:59:10 <Max__> Thank you :)
18:01:49 <Max__> !!
18:01:54 <trishf42> ?
18:02:11 <Max__> I just noticed that the ODTs downloaded from that site don't have the background images!
18:02:31 <trishf42> Well, we can always paste them in
18:02:33 <trishf42> NP
18:02:42 <TeaAge> ok, lets sums the things up
18:02:58 <Max__> I had created a dynamic link to the image on my HDD and set as the background (so they won't bother the text) when working on them. I guess they didn't get saved properly.
18:02:59 <TeaAge> the backgrounds are for the momemt not that important
18:03:20 <TeaAge> we are talking more about general layout, withe object placement
18:03:45 <Max__> Right, but color and images in the background make a difference.
18:04:35 <TeaAge> ok, what are the important things on a poster?
18:04:39 <TeaAge> it's the logo
18:04:48 <Max__> The website.
18:05:05 <TeaAge> there should be a "contact us" section
18:05:37 <Max__> I think the website is sufficient for that. The portal there sends people to forums, IRC and mailing list.
18:05:44 <TeaAge> there are pictures and text of course
18:06:14 <Max__> But there should also be contact information for the people organizing the event. Probably phone numbers and emails.
18:06:33 <TeaAge> yeah
18:07:51 <Max__> There needs to be brief, descriptive, catchy title. One that imparts all important information in a glance.
18:08:11 <TeaAge> on the border there can be space for some patterns, gimicks ...
18:09:56 <TeaAge> overall, we need a footer and a header
18:10:46 <tumbeliina> agree
18:12:41 <Max__> Yup.
18:13:29 <TeaAge> ok, starting from that, all of us who likes to. Can make new proposals ... don't loose yourself in details
18:14:04 <TeaAge> our new designer will probably make it's own background, etc
18:15:49 <TeaAge> next topic
18:15:59 <TeaAge> #topic release planing
18:16:22 <TeaAge> I think you all read the blog post about the release cycle and planing?
18:16:36 * Max__ nods
18:16:40 <TeaAge> :)
18:17:04 <TeaAge> for artwork, the freeze is short before beta 2
18:17:26 <TeaAge> this is our global goal
18:17:36 <TeaAge> make all the work ready until then
18:18:31 <TeaAge> that means, for beta 1 we should have all ready and use the last days for cleaning some bugs
18:20:11 <TeaAge> on the wiki we posted our aimes for the release
18:20:12 <TeaAge> http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=designers#mageia_2
18:20:32 <TeaAge> but a few important goals are missing
18:20:50 <TeaAge> all work around the new theme are missing
18:22:28 <TeaAge> we have to address the work to our members, and make a timeline
18:23:36 <TeaAge> we should concentrate on things with some "hard" work and let our new designer make the design ^^
18:24:05 <TeaAge> dimitir will take care about window decoration
18:24:28 <TeaAge> mageia font is up to tumbeliina daugther
18:24:35 <Max__> Just to be clear, this is a new design that will be used in the wenside as well?
18:24:42 <Max__> *website
18:25:24 <TeaAge> I hope so. We may have to discuss this with the webteam
18:25:54 <TeaAge> but both (distribution and website) should fit together
18:26:18 <Max__> OK, sorry for the interruption. Carry on.
18:27:05 <TeaAge> if we want to replace as much icons with SVG. Than we have to make a register of all icons in the distribution
18:27:20 <TeaAge> and sort our, if they can be replaced by SVG
18:27:43 <TeaAge> our => out
18:28:25 <TeaAge> are there volunteers for that?
18:30:29 <TeaAge> ok, I may will start with it. But as said the summer months are always hard for, so don't expect much output :D
18:30:43 <Max__> Converting PNGs to SVGs is a lot of work and needs to be done by hand. Individually. Unless there is a magic tool that I am unaware of. Maybe a group of people?
18:31:24 <TeaAge> we can use new icons, mustn't be the same as now
18:31:37 <Max__> That still means drawing them. By hand.
18:31:51 <TeaAge> we can use existing ones
18:32:09 <Max__> I can help a little, but I am *very* new to Inkscape, having just completed a comprehensive tutorial yesterday.
18:32:21 <TeaAge> and many icons used in the mcc are already available as SVGs
18:32:45 <TeaAge> yeah me to. I almost only worked with gimp untill now
18:32:57 <Max__> <3 The Gimp.
18:33:05 <TeaAge> ;)
18:34:01 <TeaAge> ok, that's all to say to this topic
18:34:05 <tumbeliina> i do all .svg and then convert them to .png :D
18:34:28 <TeaAge> great, so I remebered right ;)
18:34:56 <TeaAge> I have installed gnome3 on mageia cauldron
18:35:52 <TeaAge> and pngs, look really ungly within the new launcher :D
18:36:31 <TeaAge> anything to add?
18:36:39 <TeaAge> this was the last topic for today
18:36:57 <TeaAge> so, we could end the meeting
18:37:13 <Max__> Wait.
18:37:18 <TeaAge> yeap
18:37:39 <Max__> Is there a plan of action here, regarding svg icons or just sort of "look at stuff and see what you can do"?
18:38:41 <TeaAge> first things to do is, found out which icons can be replaced (maybe some programs and tools, is only able to work withn pngs/jpgs)
18:39:03 <TeaAge> and create a list of icons, as a global work document
18:39:24 <TeaAge> and to give an overview about the whole work
18:40:20 <TeaAge> after that, one programm after the next can be replaced
18:40:26 <TeaAge> well the icons of it
18:40:38 <Max__> I can't help with the first part, I wouldn't know where to begin.
18:41:12 <TeaAge> yeah, maybe it's better to start with the list of icons?
18:41:38 <TeaAge> mirror the SVN, search for images and create a list
18:42:09 <tumbeliina> i can use testing proseed, try to change icon to svg and see if it works
18:42:43 <tumbeliina> and then do some file what can change and what cant...
18:42:45 <TeaAge> we can start with mcc for example
18:42:54 <TeaAge> we have the SVGs for it
18:43:22 <tumbeliina> and i have some svg what i have son
18:43:26 <tumbeliina> *done
18:43:30 <TeaAge> so, we have to ask the developer if it is possible and if so, how hard it is to replace them
18:44:48 <TeaAge> who is the maintainer of mcc?
18:44:56 <TeaAge> or harddrake2
18:46:28 <TeaAge> ennael seems to be a good contact for that
18:47:44 <TeaAge> I will talk to her for the next meeting
18:48:47 <TeaAge> ok, let's come to the end :)
18:49:36 <TeaAge> #endmeeting