17:32:41 <TeaAge> #startmeeting 17:32:41 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Wed Jun 8 17:32:41 2011 UTC. The chair is TeaAge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:32:41 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:33:23 <TeaAge> #chair mikala dtsiamasiotis trishf42 17:33:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: TeaAge dtsiamasiotis mikala trishf42 17:33:51 <TeaAge> #topic Notes to the release 17:34:23 <TeaAge> ok, so here we are. What are your experience with our release (from the artwork kind of view)? 17:34:50 <dtsiamasiotis> I'm quite satisfied, except some minor issues 17:35:00 <TeaAge> which are? 17:36:11 <dtsiamasiotis> no panel background in gnome, stretched wallpaper and last change in wallpaper's contrast 17:36:43 <TeaAge> panel background? 17:37:08 <TeaAge> isn't gnome panel always grey? 17:37:32 <dtsiamasiotis> it's background I don't like 17:37:42 <dtsiamasiotis> it's too bright 17:37:53 <dtsiamasiotis> It's more a white than a grey 17:38:04 <TeaAge> ok, so a color "missmatch" 17:38:46 <TeaAge> within with resolution is the wallpaper streched? 17:39:26 <dtsiamasiotis> If you watch carefully, the dots are stretched 17:39:29 <TeaAge> #info gnome panel background may be to bright 17:41:16 <TeaAge> don't see that. Maybe it's related to 16:9 ratio? 17:41:32 <dtsiamasiotis> I don't know,maybe 17:41:46 <TeaAge> hmm, have to be invastigated 17:42:29 <TeaAge> #action TeaAge will have a look at the wallpapers and probably strechted items 17:43:52 <TeaAge> ok. And what change in the contrast to you mean or where is it suboptimal? 17:44:37 <dtsiamasiotis> the wallpaper was darker but when schultz added the logo 17:44:48 <dtsiamasiotis> he used some other contrast 17:44:55 <dtsiamasiotis> a brighter one 17:45:51 <TeaAge> but it looks good anyway? 17:46:39 <dtsiamasiotis> yeah, quite good, but in ksplash the contrast between the logo and the wallpaper is not perfect 17:47:26 <TeaAge> hmm ok. Will add this to the list. Maybe we can work this 17:47:59 <TeaAge> #info contrast between ksplash logo and wallpaper isn't perfect 17:48:05 <mikala> dtsiamasiotis: did you clean your kde cache 17:48:07 <mikala> for ksplash ? 17:48:12 <mikala> because i fixed the last one. 17:48:25 <mikala> by using the same background as used by schultz 17:48:43 <dtsiamasiotis> mikala,did you change logo's contrast? 17:48:54 <mikala> oh sorry 17:48:56 <mikala> i misread 17:49:02 <mikala> i read wallpapper contrast 17:49:05 <mikala> & not logo 17:49:15 <mikala> (because wallpaper was not the same too :/ ) 17:49:41 <TeaAge> but wallpaper and ksplash background are the same right now, yes? 17:49:51 <mikala> (the contrast between ksplash background & default wallpapper was shocking) 17:49:58 <dtsiamasiotis> TeaAge yes 17:50:01 <mikala> TeaAge: yep, i fixed this one. 17:50:06 <TeaAge> ok 17:50:17 <mikala> but i did not fix the logo (since it's out of my knowledge) 17:50:29 <TeaAge> ok 17:50:42 <dtsiamasiotis> logo was fine, the problem exists since wallpaper's cahnge 17:51:30 <TeaAge> maybe we only need tweak a bit the brightness of the logo 17:53:40 <TeaAge> however. I also found a issue. In plymouth is the progress bar not scaled if you not use 800x600 ratio, which really looks odd 17:53:52 <TeaAge> this is up to me to do 17:54:10 <dtsiamasiotis> I can't confirm this 17:54:47 <mikala> i can confirm it's not scaled 17:54:57 <TeaAge> it's for the plymouth ratio. This is given by a special parameter in gfxboot 17:55:15 <TeaAge> normally it's using 800x600 17:55:47 <TeaAge> #action TeaAge will take care of plymouth progress bar with different resolutions 17:57:15 <TeaAge> ok. Further comments to the release? 17:57:23 <dtsiamasiotis> nope 17:57:48 <TeaAge> #topic review of the last months 17:58:37 <TeaAge> please tell me, what are your feelings about our work in the last month. What was good and what needs to be improved? 17:59:27 <dtsiamasiotis> we need to have our work done on time 17:59:43 <dtsiamasiotis> and not during the last days 17:59:51 <TeaAge> :D thats a good purpose 18:00:29 <dtsiamasiotis> also the wiki must be more informative 18:00:40 <TeaAge> yes that's true 18:00:58 <TeaAge> wiki will be an extra topic 18:02:40 <TeaAge> why didn't we finish our work on time? 18:03:07 <dtsiamasiotis> I didn't say we did not 18:03:19 <dtsiamasiotis> but we were in a last minute hurry 18:04:14 <TeaAge> yes and no. We submit our work after hard freeze 18:04:44 <TeaAge> that's bad, because we arn't able to test the changes 18:04:57 <trishf42> maybe our teams can work together better now, we have more of an idea what we're doing too 18:05:04 <trishf42> that should help with timeliness 18:05:27 <TeaAge> trishf42: this is one of my hopes 18:05:46 <mikala> we need to have a « centralized» way to store artwork too 18:05:53 <mikala> on the wiki probably with links 18:06:15 <mikala> so for example we would know where to search for a specific artwork 18:06:33 <trishf42> That's a great idea - do a sandbox like marcomm has 18:06:41 <TeaAge> I think we have to talk with the sysadmin team if they can give as access to space for our artwork 18:06:44 <mikala> like the logo used for the background, or the background alone 18:06:51 <trishf42> even if you just have links there to places like picasa? 18:07:29 <TeaAge> yes. Wiki is a bit topic. We didn't really used it yet 18:07:42 <TeaAge> bit=big 18:07:53 <mikala> also we need to document more the way we work/create files 18:08:06 <trishf42> wiki would be good for that too 18:08:13 <mikala> for example for background, we're using a script to create all resolution 18:08:36 <TeaAge> mikala: you mean the technical side to ease the job= 18:09:12 <mikala> at the start only schultz was the only one to know how to « use » it (& me because i stole the script from my bespin package :p ) 18:09:37 <TeaAge> I didn't know such a script exists 18:09:38 <mikala> & i'm not sure that someone else here know how to create thoses. 18:09:45 <mikala> as i said ;o) 18:11:47 <TeaAge> at first we need to know, where such stuff could be helpful 18:12:16 <mikala> http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/mageia-kde4-config/current/SPECS/mageia-kde4-config.spec?r1=79405&r2=79406& 18:12:29 <mikala> line 279 18:12:47 <mikala> http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/mageia-kde4-config/current/SPECS/mageia-kde4-config.spec?annotate=79406#l279 (better like this in fact) 18:13:37 <mikala> so if we're using this script for example 18:13:49 <mikala> we can save more space on the svn by storing only the initial file 18:14:15 <mikala> & maybe there's some changes to add to this convert script 18:14:43 <TeaAge> and this is only usefull if the background is scaleable (no logo on it)? 18:15:26 <mikala> TeaAge: yep. 18:15:33 <mikala> well 18:15:39 <mikala> better ask to ennael 18:15:45 <TeaAge> but I see the point 18:15:58 <mikala> maybe she used it on the « final » background sent by schultz 18:16:43 <TeaAge> some artwork is used more than once and we need to take care of all locations 18:20:07 <TeaAge> #info artwork needs a timeline to ensure all work is done on time (and not in last minute) 18:21:10 <TeaAge> #info artwork team needs to think about scripts to ease repeating jobs 18:22:14 <TeaAge> ok further comments? 18:22:30 <trishf42> Colour palette? 18:23:59 <TeaAge> ahhhm, yes ... this has to be done too, but that's something for a different topic (although I don't have to topic for it today) 18:25:08 <trishf42> 8-) We'll get to it... 18:25:51 <TeaAge> I'm sure you will take care, that I will never ever will forget it :) 18:27:48 <TeaAge> ok, so lets get to the next topic 18:28:03 <TeaAge> #topic Wiki 18:28:14 <TeaAge> tadaaaaa ... here is the big topic :) 18:28:54 <mikala> & everyone is now quiet :D 18:29:10 <TeaAge> Go ahead! What are your proposals :) 18:29:47 <mikala> well we need to reference every package where artwork team has something todo 18:29:59 <trishf42> something to remember: the temp wiki is going to be moved to the Real Wiki sometime fairly soon 18:30:06 <mikala> so essentially all mageia- package i would say 18:30:17 <trishf42> (which will be nice, maybe it will look a bit better!) 18:30:26 <TeaAge> I already did start to work on this page 18:30:27 <TeaAge> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artwork:installer 18:31:08 <TeaAge> there should someday be listed all artwork, with a link to the svn location and some preferences or requirements 18:32:51 <TeaAge> our main page should be for general introduction of the artwork team I think 18:32:51 <TeaAge> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=designers 18:33:10 <TeaAge> who we are and what we do ... contact etc. 18:33:40 <TeaAge> that we need a page with all our work we have to do 18:34:01 <TeaAge> so we don't forget something the next time 18:35:56 <TeaAge> and in the wiki must be a link to the location where all of our work and proposals (the webspace) 18:39:26 <TeaAge> I will continue to work an the artwork wiki page (which lists all artwork/icons with the svn location) 18:40:37 <TeaAge> when I'm finished I will probably need the help of all of you to complete the list, as I will not find/think all of them 18:42:10 <TeaAge> ok, what more is needed on the wiki? 18:43:03 <TeaAge> #action TeaAge will continue to reference all artwork in svn 18:47:14 <TeaAge> #topic Attract designers 18:47:32 <TeaAge> this is really important 18:47:50 <TeaAge> how can we attract new designer to join the team 18:47:56 <TeaAge> where do we find them? 18:49:52 <dtsiamasiotis> TeaAge we pay,we get them 18:49:53 <dtsiamasiotis> :P 18:50:31 <TeaAge> ok, please give me your details of your bank account :D 18:51:25 <dtsiamasiotis> ok,seriously speaking 18:51:39 <dtsiamasiotis> in greece as far as I know 18:51:57 <dtsiamasiotis> most designers nowadays are women 18:52:09 <dtsiamasiotis> who are not familiar with linux 18:52:30 <dtsiamasiotis> so,It's difficult to work with us 18:52:38 <dtsiamasiotis> it's not easy to persuade them 18:53:00 <dtsiamasiotis> as for men, most of them won't do anything without a payment 18:53:31 <TeaAge> a distribution is a great place for them to promote theireself 18:54:12 <TeaAge> if you know 18:54:27 <TeaAge> designers, you can ask them 18:54:41 <TeaAge> of course also women 18:55:30 <dtsiamasiotis> they don't consider linux a promotion opportunity 18:55:59 <dtsiamasiotis> they think it's a waste of time 18:56:06 <tumbeliina> or maybe we can ask some schools to paritsipate? 18:56:16 <TeaAge> hey tumbeliina 18:56:21 <tumbeliina> hi :) 18:56:22 <dtsiamasiotis> and let's be honest 18:56:36 <TeaAge> yes, of course, we can ask in schools 18:56:49 <dtsiamasiotis> If I wasn't using linux, why should I waste time to create something 18:56:50 <dtsiamasiotis> ? 18:56:57 <dtsiamasiotis> and without be paid? 18:57:16 <tumbeliina> maybe for practice? 18:57:40 <TeaAge> and for promotion, as said. And maybe they will than start to use Linux? 18:58:05 <TeaAge> Of course, many won't see the benefit but one or two are enough 18:58:25 <dtsiamasiotis> anyway, I have a great designer in mind 18:58:39 <dtsiamasiotis> and I can ask him to join us 18:58:45 <dtsiamasiotis> If he wants 18:58:45 * TeaAge is waiting for the "but" 18:58:54 <tumbeliina> :D 18:59:10 <TeaAge> dtsiamasiotis: ok cool. 18:59:23 <tumbeliina> have anybody heard anything of Alexn83? 18:59:28 <TeaAge> no 18:59:46 <tumbeliina> i'm worrying of him 18:59:48 <TeaAge> I will write him a mail, if he is still alive 19:00:24 <tumbeliina> i got his adress and it was near Tsernobyl... 19:00:35 <TeaAge> :/ 19:00:41 <tumbeliina> yep :/ 19:01:10 <dtsiamasiotis> tsernobyl explosion occured too many years ago 19:01:25 <tumbeliina> but its still affecets 19:01:28 <dtsiamasiotis> is it possible to be a post victim? 19:01:42 <TeaAge> yes 19:02:26 <trishf42> I'm lighting candles over here guys, too - alexn83 is a great designer 19:02:47 <trishf42> it would be good to have him stay in the family! 19:03:16 <TeaAge> I guess he is very busy. Will try to contact him 19:03:48 <tumbeliina> me too, i send him a postcard ;) 19:04:04 <tumbeliina> *i'll 19:04:40 <TeaAge> #action dtsiamasiotis will ask a designer, if he likes to join the team (or do some work for us) 19:05:20 <trishf42> I like the idea of team members learning more about design, because artwork, marketing, comms and all that - it's our community speaking for itself 19:05:29 <trishf42> v. important that we make our own message 19:05:57 <tumbeliina> sounds good 19:06:23 <TeaAge> trishf42: that implies, that we have a designer who is able to teach new members 19:06:26 <trishf42> it's kind of the core of who we are - we're us, and we're our work. 19:06:35 <trishf42> Or maybe we can teach and mentor each other? 19:06:48 <trishf42> What do packagers and developers do? 19:07:24 <tumbeliina> why not :) 19:07:49 <TeaAge> they have a regular base of longetime packagers, which have the knowledge to mentor others 19:08:14 <trishf42> everyone has to start somewhere, and so far our artwork is looking pretty damn good! 19:08:38 <TeaAge> while we have only one designer (alex) which isn't very busy 19:08:42 <TeaAge> but you are right 19:08:53 <TeaAge> we have to use our potential 19:09:58 <TeaAge> Which of use wants to be an artwork "student"? 19:10:37 * tumbeliina want 19:10:42 <TeaAge> ok cool 19:11:34 <TeaAge> do you want to design more icons or wallpapers? 19:12:02 <tumbeliina> wallpapers 19:12:25 <tumbeliina> my icons are so wierd ;) 19:12:38 <TeaAge> with what tools did you work so far? 19:13:04 <tumbeliina> inkscape mainly 19:13:15 <tumbeliina> and digital camera 19:13:36 <tumbeliina> i have lot of photos to use 19:13:56 <tumbeliina> (and new digicamera) 19:14:37 <TeaAge> hmm, I have some minor skills with gimp. And there are a lot of really good gimp tutorials 19:15:07 <tumbeliina> i can do something with gimp, but not much 19:15:51 <TeaAge> http://gimp-tutorials.net/node/106 19:16:21 <TeaAge> maybe you can work some tutorials like this 19:16:47 <TeaAge> and you can ask me if you have problems 19:16:57 <tumbeliina> maybe one day i take speechreader and listenig that (read i can't) 19:17:34 <TeaAge> ? 19:17:41 <TeaAge> you can't read? 19:18:19 <tumbeliina> i have dyslexia and lot of reading i cant do, i dont understand it 19:18:24 <trishf42> tumbeliina: do you have a screenreader? 19:18:31 <tumbeliina> yep 19:18:52 <trishf42> maybe we can form the accessibility team... 8-) when we have lots of spare time... 19:18:55 <tumbeliina> i undestand english better when listening 19:19:12 <trishf42> I want to get Braille going, and a screen reader is really needed to drive that 19:19:14 <tumbeliina> trishf42, :) 19:19:32 <trishf42> tumbeliina: 8-) 19:19:33 <TeaAge> nice idea 19:19:52 <trishf42> We could do Braille artwork for some of the splash screens... 19:24:18 <TeaAge> ok, I will write in the forum to get new members 19:26:56 <TeaAge> last but not least 19:27:13 <TeaAge> #topic Team representative 19:27:29 <TeaAge> we don't have one yet but we need one 19:28:08 <TeaAge> so trishf42 and others can catch him/her as a contact person 19:28:39 <trishf42> yes! and have them on the council so we can plan stuff 19:29:03 <TeaAge> I proposed myself as a candidate. Anyone else who wants to candidate? 19:31:32 * trishf42 wearing quite enough hats already, thanks! 19:31:32 * tumbeliina thinks that TeaAge is good presentative 19:31:41 * trishf42 concurs 19:31:54 * mikala 's agree 19:32:06 <dtsiamasiotis> another vote for TeaAge 19:32:38 <TeaAge> :) 19:32:48 <trishf42> TeaAge: I think you' re it! 19:33:48 <TeaAge> I wrote at the mail that the vote will be on ml to give everyone the chance to participate 19:34:21 <trishf42> ok 19:34:55 <TeaAge> ok, it think thats enough for today 19:35:16 <dtsiamasiotis> TeaAge shall we summarize meeting's points? 19:35:32 <TeaAge> I will write a summary tomorrow 19:35:39 <dtsiamasiotis> ok,that's fine 19:35:51 <TeaAge> and an other mail for representative election 19:36:35 <TeaAge> so, if there are no further topics. I would end this meeting 19:37:26 <tumbeliina> one thing... 19:37:34 <tumbeliina> cd/dvd cover 19:37:46 <tumbeliina> do we have it? 19:38:02 <TeaAge> not yet 19:38:24 <tumbeliina> i made one proposal 19:38:40 <TeaAge> we have one proposal of me and on discussion list there have been some proposals 19:39:01 <TeaAge> we have to collect and compare them 19:40:08 <tumbeliina> ok 19:41:39 <tumbeliina> now we can end meating ;) 19:41:44 <TeaAge> ok :) 19:41:49 <TeaAge> one extra note: 19:42:03 <dtsiamasiotis> I wasn't eating 19:42:11 <TeaAge> don't send images or other graphics to the mailing list 19:42:56 <TeaAge> the size if a mail is restricted there. This will prevent your mail from delivering 19:43:25 <TeaAge> better send links 19:43:31 <TeaAge> ok that's it 19:43:36 <TeaAge> #endmeeting