17:22:18 <TeaAge> #startmeeting
17:22:18 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Wed May 18 17:22:18 2011 UTC.  The chair is TeaAge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:22:38 <TeaAge> well, first let me thank you for your apperance
17:23:07 <TeaAge> RC has been released today and most looks fine, as far as I can see
17:23:21 <TeaAge> #topic RC has been released
17:23:39 <trishf42> still downloading. Has the artwork changed a lot from Beta 2?
17:23:53 <trishf42> I mean,the install screens and mageia-centric artwork
17:24:06 <TeaAge> only glitch I noticed is, that isolinux still has the "Only for testing" writing
17:24:31 <TeaAge> background, ksplash, kdm and harddrake2 icons have been changed
17:25:11 <TeaAge> but ksplash still need some work, as the contrast of logo and background is bad
17:25:22 <trishf42> ok, I'll take a look when I've got it all
17:26:06 <TeaAge> ok, further comments for the RC?
17:27:00 <TeaAge> #info isolinux has still old graphics
17:27:49 <mikala> we need icons for installer
17:27:53 <mikala> (on the dvd)
17:28:01 <mikala> where you can choose kde/gnome/others
17:28:03 <TeaAge> for what?
17:28:06 <TeaAge> ah ok
17:28:08 <mikala> of maybe it's already fixed ?
17:28:15 <TeaAge> no
17:28:50 <TeaAge> alex may wants to take care of that, but I didn't saw him the last few weeks
17:29:31 <TeaAge> mikala: do you think, this should get a high priority?
17:29:39 <mikala> no
17:29:54 <mikala> ksplash is a priority
17:30:05 <mikala> since a user will install only once
17:30:37 <TeaAge> I think that too
17:31:02 <TeaAge> #topic Things to do for release
17:31:30 <trishf42> I have some requests for marketing support for the release... can I bring them up here?
17:31:32 <TeaAge> well, design freeze has been 13th may but we hopefully can push some fixed
17:32:01 <TeaAge> trishf42: yes. Later of you are ok with?
17:32:10 <trishf42> sure, any time
17:32:55 <TeaAge> so, what issues are "release critical"?
17:32:59 <TeaAge> ksplash is
17:33:12 <TeaAge> isolinux is
17:33:55 <mikala> isolinux before ksplash
17:34:01 <TeaAge> yep
17:34:15 <mikala> (we can always push an update for kplash after the release while it's more difficult for iso)
17:34:27 <TeaAge> a friend of dtsiamasiotis will may care of ksplash
17:35:32 <TeaAge> well, I think that's if for release.
17:35:56 * TeaAge is looking at bugzilla for open bugs
17:37:10 <TeaAge> is someone aware of that bug:
17:37:11 <TeaAge> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1144
17:39:22 <TeaAge> or can somebody check this, as I don't know where to look for?
17:41:01 <TeaAge> obgr_seneca: what about you?
17:41:11 <obgr_seneca> oups sorry
17:41:15 <TeaAge> ^^
17:41:23 <obgr_seneca> wait 1
17:41:50 <TeaAge> there's no hurry
17:42:21 <obgr_seneca> I don't use compiz, but this should be quite easy to fix
17:43:07 <TeaAge> if it's still valid
17:43:07 <obgr_seneca> Just replace the file and push the package again
17:43:32 <obgr_seneca> I'll check
17:45:51 <TeaAge> ok, in the mean time: Further comments for the release?
17:46:47 <dtsiamasiotis> it would be nice to have an icon in kde menu
17:47:13 <TeaAge> dtsiamasiotis: thanks for the reminder, your are right
17:47:17 <obgr_seneca> the bug seems to be fixed
17:47:40 <TeaAge> great
17:47:49 <obgr_seneca> according to urpmf the file is now called /usr/share/compositing-wm/mageia-top.png
17:48:02 <TeaAge> thanks for checking obgr_seneca
17:48:13 <obgr_seneca> np
17:48:55 <TeaAge> dtsiamasiotis: I've added it to the artwork todo list. Would be nice for the release but, isn't very important
17:49:45 <TeaAge> #info menu icon for kde/gnome/... needed
17:50:02 <tumbeliina> or we can use favicon also kdemenu icon until get better one?
17:50:44 <dtsiamasiotis> favicon?
17:50:58 <tumbeliina> half pot with bobbles
17:51:24 <TeaAge> I think it's better to stay with I nice looking kde-icon instead of using something else just on principle
17:51:39 <obgr_seneca> Since the half pot with bubbles is our official icon, what else do you want to take?
17:51:56 <TeaAge> dtsiamasiotis: the icon which is used in the adressbar of the browser if you are on the mageia page
17:51:59 <obgr_seneca> So do Mandriva, SuSE, Fedora, Ubuntu,...
17:52:45 <dtsiamasiotis> obgr_seneca: we're not talking about a different icon but a polished one
17:52:47 <TeaAge> obgr_seneca: It will probably be the cauldron but processed as a menu icon
17:52:55 <dtsiamasiotis> which will fit nice in the panel
17:53:15 <obgr_seneca> ah, ok
17:54:24 <TeaAge> dtsiamasiotis: have you send ksplash logo to your friend?
17:54:37 <dtsiamasiotis> yes TeaAge
17:55:27 <TeaAge> do you think she will do this for you, or should someone else also take care of that (as a fallback)?
17:56:22 <dtsiamasiotis> I don't know if she's able to fix the outline but I think she'll do the contrast for sure
17:57:27 <dtsiamasiotis> I'll know in two days maximum
17:57:28 <TeaAge> ok, would be great. If she needs the logo in better quality, she can take the svg logo
17:58:08 <TeaAge> http://www.mediafire.com/file/azyck9q90cv1sa8/mageia-logo-final.svg
17:58:43 <dtsiamasiotis> oh, she told me that she would make the png a scalable vector
17:58:53 <dtsiamasiotis> but I 'll send her the svg
17:59:53 <TeaAge> perfect :)
18:00:43 <TeaAge> ok, I think that's it with our tasks
18:01:00 <TeaAge> trishf42: it's your turn now :)
18:01:05 <trishf42> Oh goody!
18:01:10 <TeaAge> :D
18:01:18 <trishf42> Hope you don't all regret this and ban me... 8-)
18:01:31 <TeaAge> I can't promiss ^^
18:01:42 <trishf42> okay, designers and artworkers, marcomm really needs your help, and as soon as you can.
18:02:29 <TeaAge> just to be sure, you send us the mails yesterday?
18:02:32 <trishf42> For release, we need a visual brand for mageia: some "look" (colours, motif, layout) that ties everything together: install screens, website, posters, other stuff.
18:02:46 <trishf42> Yes I did, but this is serious mum, we haven't got long!
18:03:06 <trishf42> and I don't know how clear I am being, so questions would be really welcome
18:03:33 <trishf42> For instance, the colours - have they changed much from the set I looked at and sent to the list?
18:03:43 <TeaAge> alexn83 did a poster layout:
18:03:44 <TeaAge> https://picasaweb.google.com/thorsten.vanlil/Mageia?authkey=Gv1sRgCLzCqpDM34HHPA#5598006898688107826
18:03:57 <trishf42> ha, thanks
18:04:28 <trishf42> which one's the poster - the long one?
18:04:31 <TeaAge> that fits the look of the distribution, so it's a good start I guess
18:04:44 <TeaAge> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/mnbZDHre90UGDZV0R5xUJ8WFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink
18:05:06 <trishf42> (I wish we could just put a palette together and stick with it *-/)
18:05:56 <TeaAge> trishf42: artwork and marcom have to work together closer
18:06:04 <trishf42> okay, I have it. No white or cyan, which are the main colours of the website; any chance we can bring the two schemes a bit closer together? They look like they belong to different organisations...
18:06:07 <TeaAge> as they depend on each other
18:06:14 <trishf42> TeaAge: you're right... 8-)
18:06:21 <trishf42> That's to say, we depend on you
18:06:40 <trishf42> but I have just jumped on this; I'm really sorry I'm so late
18:07:12 <TeaAge> my proposal would be, to change the theme of the distribution the the website one
18:07:33 <TeaAge> for this release it's to late to change anything
18:07:59 <obgr_seneca> you could always ask ennael to do it
18:08:05 <trishf42> It's not a very strong scheme, the website one  - it could do with some more of the strong colours from alexn's artwork
18:08:07 * obgr_seneca is fetching the matches...
18:08:11 <trishf42> heh
18:08:33 <TeaAge> of course we can bring both themes together
18:08:48 <trishf42> It actually isn't too late to change anything - unless we just don't do it (this is my commercial face speaking)
18:09:04 <trishf42> but it depends on what the artwork team has time for...
18:09:23 <tumbeliina> imho we can set colors quite free like "light blue" because we are community not any firm
18:09:28 <TeaAge> but changing the whole theme (gfxboot, plymouth, *dm, ksplash, background) is to hard ... we needed months to get this stage
18:09:40 <obgr_seneca> from my technical point of view, it's very late to do such big changes
18:10:10 <trishf42> that's why I would suggest changing the website to get it a little bit closer to the distro; the website should reflect the release, not the other way round, don't you think?
18:10:27 <trishf42> and for the release, we only have to do the front page to begin with... 8-)
18:10:46 <tumbeliina> i agree
18:10:48 <trishf42> In fact, just re-doing the background artwork would make a big, big difference.
18:11:23 <trishf42> A good chunk of the community already likes the distro artwork - so that part is already taken care of
18:11:37 <trishf42> did anyone look at the palette I sent to the list?
18:12:05 <obgr_seneca> speaking as webteam substitute: could you do some design examples what you'd like to change about the website?
18:12:05 <trishf42> http://colorschemedesigner.com/#3L11Tn79pZC001yZRp2--w03S5XN4we-j
18:12:26 <TeaAge> to bad rda isn't here, as he know the website theme
18:12:27 <trishf42> obgr_seneca: sure. I can send you some mockups, probably tomorrow
18:12:36 <obgr_seneca> ok
18:13:02 <trishf42> yes, damn, rda isn't around until tomorrow - but I wanted to have some stuff ready for him to look at, we also have other stuff to get done tomorrow/Friday
18:13:45 <trishf42> obgr_seneca: are you okay if I scrape the website and put the files up somewhere for you to check after I mess with it?
18:14:02 <trishf42> obgr_seneca: it can come down again the moment we're done with it
18:14:10 <obgr_seneca> ok with me
18:14:14 <trishf42> thanks
18:14:18 <TeaAge> as I understand your concerns with the diffrent looks, I feel bad to change the website, as I really like it :)
18:14:32 <obgr_seneca> but I'd like rda to see it as well
18:15:01 <trishf42> I don't want to change it beyond all recognition; I want to bring everything closer together. Small changes will make a big difference.
18:15:07 <obgr_seneca> (me personally likes the website better then the distro design)
18:15:16 <trishf42> obgr_seneca: 8-)
18:16:22 <trishf42> I'd like to see the distro design get a bit brighter - a bit less grey; and I'd like to see the website get stronger - a bit more dark stuff; we can make a move in that direction and make it really right for Release 2
18:16:52 <TeaAge> yes, that's what I have in mind to
18:16:53 <trishf42> So, what about a background for the website? Not to change the layout at all - just the background.
18:16:59 <trishf42> Can anyone help?
18:18:05 <TeaAge> what about the blue pattern which is used as the wallpaper?
18:18:18 <trishf42> Maybe take the current image and put some of that nice dark grey/blue through it in diagonal fine stripes, or some more bubbles...?
18:19:10 <trishf42> The wallpaper is kind of overkill for the website, maybe - but I can take an image and put it in a mockup and people can look at it.
18:19:29 <TeaAge> would be a big help I guess
18:19:56 <trishf42> 8-) I may not have time to go to work tomorrow...
18:20:07 <TeaAge> seem to ^^
18:21:03 <TeaAge> ok, I will do same screenshots, of the boot process and installer
18:21:16 <TeaAge> same => some
18:21:44 <trishf42> brilliant, thanks
18:24:40 <trishf42> okay folks, that's me for the moment - I'll come back to the list with questions/links etc
18:24:46 <trishf42> Do you need anything from me?
18:25:09 <TeaAge> what about the poster. Should we use the one from alexn83?
18:25:57 <trishf42> Now that I know it's there, I can look at it beside everything else. I think it might be a bit dark - maybe it needs some white and cyan to brighten it a bit, not sure how...
18:27:02 <TeaAge> I will ask alex for the source ... would make modifing a bit easier ^^
18:27:31 <trishf42> great.
18:27:31 <tumbeliina> i did do one poster too, if you like http://www.sanasokea.net/kukka/mageiaposterp.pdf
18:27:47 <trishf42> Now to coax the current background off the website...
18:28:00 <trishf42> tumbeliina: I *knew* I'd seen a poster of yours! thanks!
18:28:11 <tumbeliina> :)
18:28:59 <trishf42> hey, you've added another colour. I'll put it in the palette.
18:29:16 <ennael> hi there (just here for a little time)
18:29:24 <TeaAge> hey ennael
18:29:39 <trishf42> We need to think about warming the palette up a bit - does anyone object to cherry red? Orange is too close to Mandriva's yellow
18:29:49 <trishf42> hi ennael!
18:29:54 <ennael> as a quick not
18:30:10 <ennael> you still have about 8 days for new artowrk
18:30:13 <ennael> artwork
18:30:17 <ennael> sorry for the pressure
18:30:32 <ennael> after that we will freeze completely new packages
18:30:33 <trishf42> ennael: I have been typing artowrk all day
18:30:37 <tumbeliina> i got an idea for kde icon: how about if we but bobbles 3D and  "K" on surfase of bobble?
18:30:38 <TeaAge> should be enough for the critical things
18:30:48 <ennael> still we can make some updates for less critical stuff
18:30:56 <tumbeliina> cherry red sound good
18:31:25 <ennael> sorry if I'm late but what pieces can we expect for final release ?
18:31:44 <trishf42> 8-)
18:32:22 <TeaAge> RC is quite good, I think. We will redo the ksplash logo and the isolinux image has to be replaced
18:32:49 <TeaAge> if there is still time, we will try to create a nice looking menu icon
18:32:55 <ennael> would be nice if we can have menu icon
18:32:57 <ennael> yes
18:33:04 <ennael> this is very visible in distrp
18:33:06 <ennael> o
18:33:15 <ennael> also one piece I forgot
18:33:28 <ennael> it's about network icons
18:33:38 <ennael> especially for wifi signal
18:33:50 <ennael> at the moment we use oxygen icons
18:33:59 <ennael> but it's very hard to see it
18:35:26 <ennael> don't know if I'm clear enough
18:35:34 <TeaAge> what about knetworkmanager icons?
18:36:03 <ennael> oh I did not even think about it :)
18:36:10 <ennael> but indeed a good idea
18:36:15 <ennael> I will have a look
18:36:32 <TeaAge> I used them as icons because they match the nice monochrome icons in the system panel
18:36:45 <ennael> yep I will give it a try
18:36:53 <ennael> and it will save us some time
18:36:54 <TeaAge> so, I have a complete set of icons for that
18:37:14 <ennael> btw we neeed also to think about advertising screen in installer
18:37:24 <ennael> it's rather test oriented
18:38:14 <trishf42> ennael: I've got that on my list of things to write for (the advertising screen)
18:38:21 <ennael> great :)
18:38:30 <TeaAge> the current ones are test oriented, you mean?
18:38:38 <ennael> cauldron oriented
18:38:50 <ennael> thanks for testing mageia and so on
18:38:58 <trishf42> ennael: is 3 screens enough, as for the cauldron ones?
18:39:01 <ennael> not targetting final user
18:39:12 <ennael> we can put as many as you want
18:39:13 <ennael> :)
18:39:21 <trishf42> heh
18:39:31 <trishf42> okay, I can do 5, and maybe they can cycle
18:39:41 <trishf42> if the artwork is wonderful nobody will mind...
18:39:45 <ennael> sorry to interrupt your meeting :)
18:40:01 <obgr_seneca> ennael: they already have me for interrupting :D
18:40:07 <ennael> :)
18:40:09 <trishf42> ennael: and me
18:40:28 <TeaAge> but obgr_seneca isn't bringing new tasks :)
18:40:47 <ennael> he is not evil enough :)
18:41:00 <TeaAge> that makes him very sympathic :D
18:41:13 <ennael> :)
18:41:25 <obgr_seneca> TeaAge: wait for upcoming i18n meetings :D
18:41:36 <TeaAge> you got me :(
18:41:47 <ennael> :)
18:42:13 <trishf42> I am the evil one (in between tasks)
18:42:47 <TeaAge> take care of your Karma. All we come back to you :D
18:43:02 <TeaAge> we => will
18:43:58 <TeaAge> ok, let's go on serious :)
18:44:37 <TeaAge> trishf42: do we distribute all tasks?
18:45:03 <trishf42> TeaAge: yes for the moment. I'll come back on list with updates - I have to go now!
18:45:09 <trishf42> Thanks for listening folks!
18:45:17 <TeaAge> ok, thanks for beeing here
18:46:08 <TeaAge> #topic Other
18:46:43 <TeaAge> that's for the artwork-team in special.
18:47:26 <TeaAge> As I already wrote on the ml. What are your main complains about the last months
18:47:46 <TeaAge> what have to be improved, what worked well?
18:48:21 <TeaAge> what main goals should we aim to?
18:48:42 <TeaAge> or any other comments?
18:49:35 <tumbeliina> i update my minilaptop ysterday, and as far i can see everytihing works and looks fine :)
18:50:00 <tumbeliina> (even harddarke icons look good :D)
18:53:43 <TeaAge> great
18:53:50 <TeaAge> thanks for the icons by the way
18:54:12 <TeaAge> After the release I will rework our wiki page
18:54:27 <TeaAge> list all works, that have to be done for a release
18:54:42 <TeaAge> list all the artworks with links to the svn-server etc.
18:55:08 <TeaAge> and as already mentioned, we have to work closer with the marcom team
18:56:22 <tumbeliina> as i said i have an idea for kdemenu icon, but i have to ask help to do it
18:56:55 <tumbeliina> i ask my daughters help, they have more skill than me ;)
18:57:03 <obgr_seneca> Don't we need similar buttons for all desktops?
18:57:34 <obgr_seneca> So I wouldn't be KDE specific
18:58:17 <tumbeliina> ofcourse, but i dont have ever use other desktops, but i ask to do them too
18:58:18 <TeaAge> obgr_seneca: yes, same icons
18:58:28 <TeaAge> by at least kde one is SVG
19:00:02 <obgr_seneca> so, sorry for interrupting your meeting
19:01:35 <tumbeliina> and if the colorpalett is blue, cant we use my blue flowers as  picture screensaver? ;)
19:02:17 <TeaAge> blue flowers? did you have a link?
19:02:23 <tumbeliina> http://www.sanasokea.net/kukka/
19:03:08 <TeaAge> yes, I think we can use some for the screensaver
19:03:20 <tumbeliina> :)
19:04:20 <TeaAge> ok, meeting has been long enough
19:04:36 <tumbeliina> can you get them there or want origianal photos?
19:04:40 <TeaAge> if there aren't further comments, I would close the meeting
19:06:26 <TeaAge> schulz or dmorgan (don't know who) already worked on screensaver
19:07:25 <TeaAge> would be best, if you get in contact with them. As I don't know how they've done the reflection
19:08:04 <tumbeliina> ok, i have give them both link to pictures
19:08:23 <TeaAge> ok
19:08:27 <TeaAge> so ...
19:08:29 <TeaAge> #endmeeting